# Some old white women. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 20, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249 "2016-12-20T18:22:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/141 "2016-12-23T21:50:43Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Big T. > > Putting the T in sanctimonious on the net since 2001. > > Are you telling me you cannot even comprehend a scenario where one person actually IS being fucking stupid, has always BEEN stupid about said issue, and will NOT STFU about it for the several hundreth time? > > Hell, lets go one step further. In the interest of being fair. Lets go with said person NOT actually being a dumb fuck about some issue. It actually IS an issue where you might go “well, I could see it going either way”. > > Person A wants X. Person B wants Y. They have had this discussion literally a couple hundred times. > > Person A ain’t giving in. Neither is person B. > > But person B want to fight about it YET again. Person A ain’t interested in discussing it even one more fucking time. > > What the fuck does person B think they are going to accomplish? > > Besides start another fight and generate even more bad feelings? This is why you really need to stop and think before you post. Nothing you say here remotely addresses anything I said in the post you responded to. Wanting someone to STFU because they clearly are refusing to listen is the one thing I said was not necessarily a bad thing. The problem is in wanting those who have problems to just calm down and stop talking about them. It’s expecting them to somehow be able to fix their own problems. This shit has been used since activism itself started as a way to ignore the problems of those who are disadvantaged. It’s just an excuse to put these people down rather than actually try to fix the problem. As for being sanctimonious, that was kinda the point, as I was responding to a sanctimonious post. You’re being just as sanctimonious in your response. I’m always giving what I get, but people act like I’m the one doing something worse. And, because I do feel a bit sanctimonious, I’ll point out that I’ve only been here since 2008. If you’d taken a few seconds before posting whatever pops into your head, you could have made that snark a lot better. Where the fuck did 2001 come from, anyways? ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/142 "2016-12-23T21:53:23Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > This is why you really need to stop and think before you post. Nothing you say here remotely addresses anything I said in the post you responded to. > > Wanting someone to STFU because they clearly are refusing to listen is the one thing I said was not necessarily a bad thing. The problem is in wanting those who have problems to just calm down and stop talking about them. It’s expecting them to somehow be able to fix their own problems. > > **This shit has been used since activism itself** started as a way to ignore the problems of those who are disadvantaged. It’s just an excuse to put these people down rather than actually try to fix the problem. > > As for being sanctimonious, that was kinda the point, as I was responding to a sanctimonious post. You’re being just as sanctimonious in your response. I’m always giving what I get, but people act like I’m the one doing something worse. > > And, because I do feel a bit sanctimonious, I’ll point out that I’ve only been here since 2008. If you’d taken a few seconds before posting whatever pops into your head, you could have made that snark a lot better. > > Where the fuck did 2001 come from, anyways? Activism itself has been around since the dawn of human history, it has no origin date. But trying to brush off all notions of personal responsibility with the myth of everyone just being a victim of ‘disadvantagement’ is naive. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/143 "2016-12-23T21:56:11Z")
How the fuck did this become about “activisim” and disabled people? I don’t know about the OP, but my only position here has been I’ve known a few old white women that were royal bitches (and rough guidelines as to why/what constiuttes such). Post directed at BigT. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/144 "2016-12-23T21:58:58Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And, because I do feel a bit sanctimonious, I’ll point out that I’ve only been here since 2008. If you’d taken a few seconds before posting whatever pops into your head, you could have made that snark a lot better. > > Where the fuck did 2001 come from, anyways? It just FEELS like 2001. BigT years are about 2 to one in terms of SJW crap on the net. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/145 "2016-12-23T22:20:09Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > How the fuck did this become about “activisim” and disabled people? > > I don’t know about the OP, but my only position here has been I’ve known a few old white women that were royal bitches (and rough guidelines as to why/what constiuttes such). > > Post directed at BigT. I think I’ve known a few people of every color, age, creed and gender who are “bitches” (although bitch usually only applies to women - so probably the more inclusive asshole fits). I suspect their reasons for being such are as individual as they themselves are. For one thing - its quite possible that I’ve run into the assholes on days were they weren’t their usual non-asshole self - everyone I’ve ever known has days where they are particularly short with others. So there is really no reason to single out old white women in this rant. If you are someone who thinks only white people can be racists, then the rant would probably be fine if it included white men and got rid of the age - since both white men and white women can be racist assholes ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/146 "2016-12-23T22:26:42Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > So there is really no reason to single out old white women in this rant. If you are someone who thinks only white people can be racists, then the rant would probably be fine if it included white men and got rid of the age - since both white men and white women can be racist assholes Oh baloney. If you want to get bent out of shape with the idea that old white women ARE bitchy/more racist than any other group statistically speaking IMO that is something certainly debatable. IF on the the other hand, if you want to say when there is someone bitchy and racist and they happen to be an old white woman they can take being bitchy and or racist to the NEXT level, I’d say that is something else (which IMO might even be true). There is a difference. ---
**Author:** ![Calico\_Jack](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calico_jack/32/7320_2.png) [@Calico\_Jack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Calico_Jack)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2016, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/147 "2016-12-23T22:30:33Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Oh baloney. > > If you want to get bent out of shape with the idea that old white women ARE bitchy/more racist than any other group statistically speaking IMO that is something certainly debatable. > > IF on the the other hand, if you want to say when there is someone bitchy and racist and they happen to be an old white woman they can take being bitchy and or racist to the NEXT level, I’d say that is something else (which IMO might even be true). > > There is a difference. Well I doubt it’s because they’re “white”, so why does whitness have to be brought into it? If anything it’s because that’s how a lot of the Baby Boomer generation, male and female were, spoiled, sheltered, selfish, entitled - probably a lot worse than millenials are even though they receive more blame. But spoiled millennials learned it from their Baby Boomer parents; Baby Boomers got that way all on their own. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2016, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/148 "2016-12-24T03:07:59Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Old white women who might have been attractive when they were younger and have a strong streak of second wave feminism. Wow. Racist much, dude? ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2016, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/149 "2016-12-24T19:50:02Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > They think they are just being assertive or something but they are just being bitches. I think this is the core of the issue right here. Apparently the OP thinks that if a woman does anything other than say “yes Master”, she is being a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/150 "2016-12-25T17:35:51Z")
[![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeGPzk8Oca8) > **[Insane Harriet Christian Has More Thoughts About 'The Blacks'](https://www.wonkette.com/insane-harriet-christian-has-more-thoughts-about-the-blacks)** > > \[youtube http://www.youtube.com/v/kGGq82AgbF4&hl=en expand=1\] Here is nutball Harriet Christian, the "older white woman" and New Yorker famous for ranting on the Internet about how the DNC is giving its nomination to an "inadequate black man."... ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2016, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/151 "2016-12-25T17:43:53Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Sorry, I missed this the first time. > > I am extrapolating from the personal experiences I have with old white second wave feminist women I know. Then I generalize that characterization and stereotype to other women that I think have the same characteristics. This is almost the definition of prejudice and stereotyping. So you’re right, I can’t state for a fact that every incident of bitchy old white woman was a verified formerly pretty second wave feminist. It may just be that old white women generally are more likely to by raging fucking racist entitled douchebags but I was trying to narrow down the factors that seemed to increase the likelihood of raging fucking racist entitled douchebags. I’m in general agreement, but I’d love to get some specific anecdotes. My experience squares with Shagnasty’s, oddly enough. I wonder if it’s a sense of powerlessness or invisibility or something that makes some of these gals so nasty? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2016, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/152 "2016-12-25T17:52:35Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Where all the old white women at? I think they’re all on the beach at Waikiki. ---
**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2016, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/153 "2016-12-25T20:49:37Z")
The bitchiest white women I observe are maniacal rapturous Trump supporters. I think they hate themselves first and everyone else even more. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/154 "2016-12-26T06:00:57Z")
> [@Calico\_Jack](#): > > Well 2nd wave feminism primarily appealed to nasty women who fancy that behaving in ways that would make a feral dog blush empowers them, when it really just degrades them to the level of leftover pieces of meat to be consumed like a stale Big Mac, and probably did more to propagate the exploitation of women via commercial porn than “empower” then in the slightest. > > Essentially a cabal of horny old white men who run most of the smut entertainment industry convinced women that being whores too stupid even to charge for their services was somehow “empowering” them, when in reality it just made them easier prey for men with rapacious desires. > > So I’m quite sure those kind of women are utterly miserable, yeah - it’s just karma in action, since they are little more than useless pieces of meat to be consumed by the most desperate curs of the male sex like a dog licking up it’s own vomit - I’m sure they hate their meaningless little existences, but that’s just the natural karmic consequence for being a guttural slut devoid of class or anything remotely “feminine”. I really don’t think a boy in his twenties knows jack shit about the appeal of second wave feminism to feminists, and his opinions of our self-worth are not of much value to us either. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/155 "2016-12-26T06:03:21Z")
I also don’t believe there is any racism involved in my belief that the OP is an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![CatandMouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@CatandMouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatandMouse)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/156 "2016-12-26T06:21:39Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Since I am a racist white guy myself…I can not speak toe raciness of said older white women… > > But I will speak to the bitchiness of them. > > Holy e fuck. > > I don’t think there is much worse than a bitchy old woman. I USED to buy into that cultural meme that it was the old men that were insufferable and it was the women who turned into sweet little old ladies. > > Bull crap. The old men turn into older men…most of them…if you leave them the fuck alone…they will leave you the fuck alone. The ones that are ragging assholes? They were ragging assholes in middle age. > > In my limited experience with old women it’s different. They go bitchy/insufferable to a higher degree…even ones that WERE nice no longer are…and the ones that weren’t? Look the fuck out…and IME the worst thing about the nasty old women is they love to spread the misery. > > Crap like this why my EX is now my EX. I saw down the road…I saw she was taking the fork down “bitchy assed old woman lane” rather than “sweet little old lady lane”. > > Thank god I got the fuck out. I’m guessing you’re still single? ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/157 "2016-12-26T11:07:51Z")
> [@CatandMouse](#): > > I’m guessing you’re still single? The answer to why his ex got bitchy is pretty obvious. ---
**Author:** ![nachtmusick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac91a4/32.png) [@nachtmusick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nachtmusick)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/158 "2016-12-26T12:13:21Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Please explain to me what in the fuck, exactly, inspired this thread. You did not just wake up this morning and decide you hated white women. > > Also, everybody knows old white men are the worst. It has become an axiom that old white men are the worst. I find this troubling because I am slowly becoming an old white man. I worry that I will one day wake up and hate pretty much everybody. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/159 "2016-12-26T12:32:09Z")
> [@CatandMouse](#): > > I’m guessing you’re still single? Why do man hating feminists always think this is a cool put down? Hell yeah being alone is better than being stuck with a bitch. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/160 "2016-12-26T15:07:36Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Why do man hating feminists always think this is a cool put down? Hell yeah being alone is better than being stuck with a bitch. Hell to the yeah on that one. Lets put it this way. Towards the end, I’d be in bathroom and get to think “thank gawd I’m safe in here”…heck, I probably went to the bathroom more than strictly necessary for that reason as well. For a good while AFTER it was over, I’d wake up and be thinking “thank gawd there won’t be some bitching/fighting about something assinine today” Even now, I’ll think “gawd, I really WOULD rather die poor and alone in some crappy shack in the woods than put up with that stuff in my last days”. Don’t get me wrong. In no way was she always a bitch/bitchy/whatever you’d call it. I’d even imagine there are fair number of men that would trade her for their wife and think they got an improvement. But I have a low tolerance for drama. Particularly stupid and totally uneccessary drama. Even on some sorts of TV shows/series. I am NOT going to have a fight about something that IMO shouldn’t even be a discussion. I certainly ain’t going to be doing it for the 500th time. I’m not going to do something the way YOU want it done if I think its the wrong way to do it, especially if doing so makes it HARDER for me to it or it likely to not work out right and I’ll be the one doing it over/twice (and probably hearing extra unhelpful bitching when doing so). I never understood the “yes dear” couple thingy. I sure as fuck do now. And I suspect there is a class of women that think being a single man must be terrible…because being with a woman is automatically something desirable just because they have a vagina…and it is a defensive reaction…deep down they get mad at the very idea that maybe vaginas aren’t all that and some aren’t worth the aggravation. Don’t wanna be driving down your market share value you know. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249.md?page=9)