# Some old white women. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 20, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249 "2016-12-20T18:22:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/161 "2016-12-26T18:59:43Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > And I suspect there is a class of women that think being a single man must be terrible…because being with a woman is automatically something desirable just because they have a vagina…and it is a defensive reaction…deep down they get mad at the very idea that maybe vaginas aren’t all that and some aren’t worth the aggravation. > > Don’t wanna be driving down your market share value you know. Well, the science does say that married men live longer than single men … But aside from all of that, this could all be said for single women as well. Far better to be “without a man” if the one you have is abusive. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/162 "2016-12-26T19:39:42Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Hell to the yeah on that one. > > Lets put it this way. Towards the end, I’d be in bathroom and get to think “thank gawd I’m safe in here”…heck, I probably went to the bathroom more than strictly necessary for that reason as well. > > For a good while AFTER it was over, I’d wake up and be thinking “thank gawd there won’t be some bitching/fighting about something assinine today” > > Even now, I’ll think “gawd, I really WOULD rather die poor and alone in some crappy shack in the woods than put up with that stuff in my last days”. True story. I was at my ex-wife’s parent’s house in the Virgin Islands with just her and my daughter. I couldn’t stand being yelled out anymore so I went into the bathroom and she wasn’t having any of it because it meant that I wasn’t listening to her rant anymore. She tried to force the door open so I just closed it again so I could have any space. She claimed that I hurt her wrist even though I did no such thing and she called the police. Two very Caribbean, black police officers came over and interviewed us. My ex-wife wanted me thrown in jail for a non-offense but they understood the situation perfectly. After lots of paperwork for nothing, they pulled me aside and told me that they sympathized with me and to do whatever I needed to when we got back home. Wife on husband abuse isn’t commonly talked about but it is universally recognized among those that have experienced it. Caribbean Police Officers don’t have a lot of sympathy for rich white girls that want to beat their husbands and then have them thrown in jail just because they want to be left alone for a while. ---
**Author:** ![CatandMouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@CatandMouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatandMouse)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/163 "2016-12-26T19:46:14Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Why do man hating feminists always think this is a cool put down? Hell yeah being alone is better than being stuck with a bitch. There’s certainly nothing wrong with being single, but I think billfish has demonstrated why his ex wife probably kicked him to the curb, instead of the other way around. It takes two to make a marriage work. It has been my experience that when someone only blames the other party, without doing any “soul searching” & does not to figure out how they were partially responsible for the failure of that relationship, they tend to make the same mistakes over and over. > [@billfish678](#): > > If the words: > > Calm down > > Be quite > > STFU > > or if you are so fucking smart do it yourself… > > Do NOT cause you to: > > Calm down > > Be quite > > STFU > > or just fucking do it yourself… > > Well, then you are on your way. ---
**Author:** ![nachtmusick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac91a4/32.png) [@nachtmusick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nachtmusick)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/164 "2016-12-26T19:54:00Z")
…and now I’m a feminist. Thanks guys. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/165 "2016-12-26T19:56:13Z")
> [@CatandMouse](#): > > There’s certainly nothing wrong with being single, but I think billfish has demonstrated why his ex wife probably kicked him to the curb, instead of the other way around. Oh she “ended it”. At least technically speaking. But I suspect her post break up supper bitchyness burn all the bridges possible in the process (while I’m being the polite, considerate, just let me get my stuff and get out) just because she could is that I finally did say “fuck it…your right…you are ALSO not worth the grief”…and she wasn’t having that either. She could have had a civil break up. But she wasn’t having it. Now, she can die alone in the hospital or spend years with alzhiemers in the nursing home…and the best she’ll probably get from me NOW is mehhh… Would you like a story of two of random butt fucking retarded shit she got mad about? I’d love to see a defense of a few of them. And we will skip the irony of me not being allowed to complain about one thing ever. ---
**Author:** ![CatandMouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@CatandMouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatandMouse)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/166 "2016-12-26T20:01:00Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > Oh she “ended it”. At least technically speaking. But I suspect her post break up supper bitchyness burn all the bridges possible in the process (while I’m being the polite, considerate, just let me get my stuff and get out) just because she could is that I finally did say “fuck it…your right…you are ALSO not worth the grief”…and she wasn’t having that either. > > She could have had a civil break up. But she wasn’t having it. Now, she can die alone in the hospital or spend years with alzhiemers in the nursing home…and the best she’ll probably get from me NOW is mehhh… > > Would you like a story of two of random butt fucking retarded shit she got mad about? > > I’d love to see a defense of a few of them. > > And we will skip the irony of me not being allowed to complain about one thing ever. You’re free to spill your guts if you like. Personally, I think her side of the story would be much more interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/167 "2016-12-26T20:01:47Z")
> [@CatandMouse](#): > > There’s certainly nothing wrong with being single, but I think billfish has demonstrated why his ex wife probably kicked him to the curb, instead of the other way around. > > It takes two to make a marriage work. It has been my experience that when someone only blames the other party, without doing any “soul searching” & does not to figure out how they were partially responsible for the failure of that relationship, they tend to make the same mistakes over and over. I am not billfish but I can certainly sympathize with his viewpoint. I don’t think incidental accusations about who did what are very helpful. I can promise you there are plenty of abusive wives out there. I am possibly even more extreme than that. I don’t believe in marriage at least for myself (I couldn’t care less about what other people do). I already have kids, money and everything else that I need. This isn’t Little House on the Prairie. If I want to go to a strip club in Las Vegas or fishing in Montana next week, that is what I am doing - no “permission” needed. Most of the lives of my married friends and coworkers are pathetic. They don’t like it and I don’t think their wives do either yet they do it because of tradition, expectations or some other bullshit. They don’t realize there is no law that you have to play the game that way. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/168 "2016-12-26T20:03:46Z")
> [@Shagnasty](#): > > True story. I was at my ex-wife’s parent’s house in the Virgin Islands with just her and my daughter. I couldn’t stand being yelled out anymore so I went into the bathroom and she wasn’t having any of it because it meant that I wasn’t listening to her rant anymore. She tried to force the door open so I just closed it again so I could have any space. She claimed that I hurt her wrist even though I did no such thing and she called the police. . Sorry you had to go through that. She was NEVER violent. Nor was I for that matter. But, like your wife apparently, if she wanted to have an argument…she was GOD damn fucking well having one whether you wanted to or not (the fact it was most often about stupid shit didn’t make it any better). Go to the other room…she’s coming too…go outside…she coming too…go to the bathroom…she’ll continue when your done…fight not finished to her satisfaction?..she’ll bring it up again next week/month/year. And I’ve known a couple of what I’d and what most other people would consider reasonable women and they have hinted at the ole “well, if shit goes south and I don’t get my way…well, maybe he threatened me bullshit”. And I have little doubt if push came to shove she’d do the same thing. And they did NOT like my response which was 1: You even think of pulling that and you’ll never see or hear from me again and 2: Congratulations…you have now just fucked up and if this goes to court…I’ll be calling the lawyer for the other side to testify about what you just told me. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/169 "2016-12-26T20:09:00Z")
> [@CatandMouse](#): > > You’re free to spill your guts if you like. Personally, I think her side of the story would be much more interesting. So basically, you are gonna pussy out and not defend random shit you have an inking you can’t defend. Probably a good move on your part. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/170 "2016-12-26T20:09:40Z")
> [@chela](#): > > The bitchiest white women I observe are maniacal rapturous Trump supporters. I think they hate themselves first and everyone else even more. I was going to say the same thing about Hillary supporters, but I had the class to not do it. ---
**Author:** ![nachtmusick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ac91a4/32.png) [@nachtmusick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nachtmusick)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/171 "2016-12-26T20:27:22Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I was going to say the same thing about Hillary supporters, but I had the class to not do it. No, you didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/172 "2016-12-26T21:00:43Z")
Man-hating feminist? Hardly. I LOVE men. I adore them, particularly Mr. Helena. There are some wonderful men in my real life and here on the board. Men who respect women, listen to us, don’t patronize or marginalize us. Masculine guys who aren’t afraid to show their tender sides, or admit when they’re wrong. Who don’t have to hate women to _feel_ like men. Those are true men. I also respect those qualities in women and get angry when women treat men badly. Like that guy in IMHO whose wife was mad because the $300 mixer he got her was the wrong color. Come on! The [feminist](http://www.dictionary.com/browse/feminism?s=t) part, yup, guilty: > [@](#): > > 1. > > the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men. > 2. > (sometimes initial capital letter) an organized movement for the attainment of such rights for women. Note that nowhere does it say feminists hate men. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/173 "2016-12-26T21:11:35Z")
> [@chela](#): > > The bitchiest white women I observe are maniacal rapturous Trump supporters. I think they hate themselves first and everyone else even more. The ones screaming Lock! Her! Up! ITA. ---
**Author:** ![CatandMouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@CatandMouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CatandMouse)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2016, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/174 "2016-12-26T21:20:00Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > So basically, you are gonna pussy out and not defend random shit you have an inking you can’t defend. > > Probably a good move on your part. It’s just that when you talk about your ex, you sound like a disgruntled employee. I think I’ve heard enough. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/175 "2016-12-27T17:18:36Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Here again is your cite: > > By that definition, it does have to be a man to a woman, but the definition is completely silent regarding how men speak to other men. Then why even come up with a separate name for it if you already have a phrase for patronizing asshole? > [@](#): > > As for patronizing asshole - that’s my own term that I used before “mansplaining” was coined to describe the same behavior. You are saying you talk this way to everyone. I’m saying “wow, ‘I’m often a patronizing asshole to everyone regardless of gender’ seems to be an example of the pot calling the kettle black when you take into account the content of your OP.” I’ll ask again, do you have a cite where I say I am a patronizing asshole to everyone? > [@](#): > > By your cite, mansplaining can only be done by a man to a woman - the term patronizing asshole is more inclusive. If you are a man talking to a woman, you can simultanously be mansplaining and be a patronizing asshole. If you are a woman talking to another woman, a woman talking to a man, or a man talking to another man - then you are just a patronizing asshole. All poodles are dogs, not all dogs are poodles. Why distinguish between poodles and all other dogs. What makes poodles so special that we needed a special word for them but just call all other dogs “dogs”? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/176 "2016-12-27T17:25:20Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > In short, while you use weasel words to try and get out of it, you spend most of your post attacking all people of a certain group. See the word “some” Maybe that’s weasel word to you. It a qualifier to me. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/177 "2016-12-27T17:27:01Z")
> [@billfish678](#): > > How the fuck did this become about “activisim” and disabled people? > > I don’t know about the OP, but my only position here has been I’ve known a few old white women that were royal bitches (and rough guidelines as to why/what constiuttes such). > > Post directed at BigT. No, that’s pretty much what I was saying. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/178 "2016-12-27T17:28:46Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Wow. Racist much, dude? I think you meant to say “sexist much dude?” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/179 "2016-12-27T17:29:51Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I think this is the core of the issue right here. Apparently the OP thinks that if a woman does anything other than say “yes Master”, she is being a bitch. Assertive I don’t have a problem with. My wife is assertive. My sisters are assertive. These women think they are being assertive but they are jumping the shark by miles and have landed squarely in the middle of bitch territory. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249/180 "2016-12-27T18:28:25Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Assertive I don’t have a problem with. My wife is assertive. My sisters are assertive. These women think they are being assertive but they are jumping the shark by miles and have landed squarely in the middle of bitch territory. What is your definition of assertive? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-old-white-women/775249.md?page=10)