# Some people do indeed deserve to die. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 22, 2003, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154 "2003-01-22T04:28:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/1 "2003-01-22T04:28:53Z")
[Drudge](http://drudgereport.com/rr.htm) is where I first read about this fucking abomination, but a quick google using some of the key words will give you more information. Great. Lets pay for peoples HIV treatment. Lets encourage people to keep HIV floating around, because hey, _it’s a lifestyle choice!_ I don’t care one way or the other about homosexuality in general, but these particular homosexuals need to be given a blindfold, cigarette, and bullet to the back of the head. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/2 "2003-01-22T04:42:07Z")
:rolleyes: Jumping to conclusions based on a report that cites no research sources. Yeah. That’s a reason to be a bigot and fall back on the lifestyle choice bullshit. Obviously you _do_ care about homosexuality with the stupid things you have said in that last post. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/3 "2003-01-22T04:50:08Z")
Dipshit, google it a bit for more info. Then shut the fuck up and join me in utter horror that this is going on. ---
**Author:** ![THespos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@THespos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/THespos)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/4 "2003-01-22T04:57:19Z")
If there is indeed a significant number of people actually TRYING to get this disease, I’m appalled. Granted, the source (Drudge) is not the most credible thing in the world, but if you Google the terms “gift givers” and “bug chasers,” enough links are returned from credible sources to suggest that the notion of people actively seeking out this disease isn’t entirely bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/5 "2003-01-22T05:01:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > \*\*Dipshit, google it a bit for more info. Then shut the fuck up and join me in utter horror that this is going on. \*\* You righteous and stupid indignation aside, I have a bit more insight than you on this topic and probably others far too numerous to mention. There are some men who do this. It is stupid. And it is a minority within a minority. So… don’t hide behind indignation, you knuckle dragging, cousin fucking, neanderthal motherfucker. It doesn’t wash. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/6 "2003-01-22T05:01:42Z")
OK. I’ve settled down now. Nobody ‘deserves to die’. But holy shit! ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/7 "2003-01-22T05:05:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mockingbird \* > \*\*You righteous and stupid indignation aside, I have a bit more insight than you on this topic and probably others far too numerous to mention. > > There are some men who do this. > > It is stupid. > > And it is a minority within a minority. > > So… don’t hide behind indignation, you knuckle dragging, cousin fucking, neanderthal motherfucker. It doesn’t wash. \*\* Whoa there, fuck nugget. I don’t care if it is one person alone doing this, it is beyond all fucking belief. That (according to the drudge story) 25% of newly infected men _wanted_ to get it, goes way beyond me expressing ‘indignation’, and well into me expressing calls for some people to get a swift boot to the head. Don’t try to white wash this, you gutless apologist. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/8 "2003-01-22T05:09:29Z")
I am not an apologist. And the 25% is UNSUBSTANTIATED. ---
**Author:** ![j\_kat\_251](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@j\_kat\_251](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j_kat_251)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/9 "2003-01-22T05:12:36Z")
Isn’t this a little like trying to get cancer? Or flailing about in the Amazon with a flesh wound? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/10 "2003-01-22T05:14:10Z")
So people who are so psychologically disturbed that they attempt slow-motion suicide, or so stupid that they have unprotected sex, should be killed? I am horrified, by them and YOU, Brutus. I’ve never felt so confident in calling someone a sack of shit before. This means YOU, Brutus. ---
**Author:** ![j\_kat\_251](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@j\_kat\_251](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j_kat_251)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/11 "2003-01-22T05:16:14Z")
Well, someone who actively seeks out a horrible debilitating disease, then sucks up taxpayer resources should have SOMETHING done to them. And, hell, they’re gonna die anyway, they wanted to die anyway, so why not bullet-through-the-head them? Seriously though, it’s pretty fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/12 "2003-01-22T05:22:19Z")
I read the Drudge article and was taken aback so I did some googling of my own. [This](http://www.alternativesmagazine.com/15/hill.html) is a very interesting article written on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/13 "2003-01-22T05:29:09Z")
Excerpts that follow are from: [http://www.alternativesmagazine.com/15/hill.html](http://www.alternativesmagazine.com/15/hill.html) > [@](#): > > With the multicultural revolution of the '60s and '70s, we witnessed the beginnings of the arduous task of affirming the rights of oppressed people in our society, including homosexuals. For gay people, a benchmark of success in this movement occurred in 1973, when the “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders” (DSM) removed homosexuality from its list of mental disorders. At last, as gay people, our differences were no longer pathologized and society began to not hold these differences against us, at least institutionally. This was one of the many markers in gay history that enabled us to rediscover our long impotent voices. Even so, there are still those who attempt to pathologize our expressions of love, to minimize who we are as human beings, and who look upon our community only in the context of our ‘behavior,’ rather than embracing each individual as a member of the human family. This touches on one aspect, and the writer also covers the other aspects of guilt and also identification that would lead someone to want to be infected. > [@](#): > > Psychologist Walt Odets, in reference to the complex varieties of survivor guilt seen in HIV men, says, “HIV- men tend to be profoundly clinically depressed, anxious, disoriented, hypochondriachal, uncertain about the future, sexually dysfunctional, deeply demoralized and physically numb.” He goes on to say that many HIV men “abuse alcohol or drugs, and their physicians prescribe them millions of dollars worth of tranquilizers, sleeping pills, anti-depressants and sedatives every year.” Finally, Odets finds that more and more uninfected men now “live in nearly every detail like a dying man - disoriented, piecemeal, and with no assumption of the future.” These are not people to be attacked and scorned. These people need help. They need to realize that they are not alone and that being sick is not what is required for them to have a sense of belonging. > [@](#): > > I think, for most people, it is very easy to demonize these behaviors. I did. My initial thought was that such men suffer from Antisocial Personality Disorder which, according to the DSM, is characterized by a “lack of empathy and tendency to be callous, cynical, and contemptuous of the feelings, rights, and suffering of others.” The DSM goes on to say, “These individuals may also be irresponsible and exploitive in their sexual relationships,” and “are more likely than people in the general population to die prematurely by violent means, e.g. suicide, accidents, and homicides.” I assumed that these men had no sense of remorse for the harm they commit, not only to others, but to themselves. I imagined an impulsive behavior and a failure to conform to reasonable social norms. I judged them negatively as being sexually irresponsible, exploitive, and cavalier. > Then I read the February '99 issue of POZ Magazine. It was dedicated to the subject of barebacking. POZ editor Walter Armstrong states, in reference to barebacking, “There has always been a strong outlaw element in gay sexuality, this is an extension.” > This statement stopped me dead in my tracks. I began to recall the many friends, now dead, who might have been considered sexual outlaws, who might be considered deviant, callous, non-empathetic, or anti-social by those who did not really know them. But I did know them. And was I an “outlaw” as well? As I thought about it, I tried to look more deeply, to understand, and to cultivate the insight I might need to become more compassionate in regards to them, and to myself. As insight and compassion deepened, that negative judgement about barebacking and bug chasing had to be re-examined. Think about it. These people do not deserve scorn. They, and at the moment I, need a hug. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/14 "2003-01-22T05:30:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by mayberrydan \* > \*\*I read the Drudge article and was taken aback so I did some googling of my own. [This](http://www.alternativesmagazine.com/15/hill.html) is a very interesting article written on the subject. \*\* Okay… you have to love the synchronicity of your post and mine. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Virgowitch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/9fc348/32.png) [@Virgowitch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Virgowitch)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/15 "2003-01-22T05:30:37Z")
I can do better than this. In some African countries, there is a popular, widely-believed myth that sex with a virgin (male or female) is a cure for AIDS, resulting in, guess what? ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/16 "2003-01-22T05:49:12Z")
> [@](#): > > _originally posted by Mockingbird_ > Okay… you have to love the synchronicity of your post and mine. I do and I agree with you totally. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/17 "2003-01-22T05:51:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Virgowitch \* > \*\*I can do better than this. In some African countries, there is a popular, widely-believed myth that sex with a virgin (male or female) is a cure for AIDS, resulting in, guess what? \*\* [Baby rape.](http://abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/DailyNews/child_rape020730.html) Golly gee, those people need hugs! ---
**Author:** ![j\_kat\_251](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/71c47a/32.png) [@j\_kat\_251](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j_kat_251)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/18 "2003-01-22T05:55:52Z")
Yeah, sure. Let’s just hug people who need to be shot. Maybe we should just kiss murderers instead of, uh, let’s see, applying punishment. Am I missing something here? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/19 "2003-01-22T06:07:26Z")
> [@](#): > > Yeah, sure. Let’s just hug people who need to be shot. Maybe we should just kiss murderers instead of, uh, let’s see, applying punishment. Am I missing something here? Your brain and your heart? ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2003, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154/20 "2003-01-22T06:14:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Miller \* > \*\*Your brain and your heart? \*\* [Cameron Frye Mode] Miller… you’re my hero. [/Cameron Frye Mode] [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-people-do-indeed-deserve-to-die/150154.md?page=2)