# Some Proof that a BJU "Education" isn't Worth Much **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 8, 2007, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-proof-that-a-bju-education-isnt-worth-much/391352 "2007-02-08T14:02:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-proof-that-a-bju-education-isnt-worth-much/391352/41 "2007-02-08T21:12:03Z")
[QUOTE=NicePete] Brings new meaning to the phrase “oral exams”. [/QUOTE] If you think you’re being funny and original, you clearly have not seen enough internet porn. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-proof-that-a-bju-education-isnt-worth-much/391352/42 "2007-02-09T01:45:39Z")
[QUOTE=Voyager] I totally agree with you, and assume that no one in your church would have a problem voting for an atheist running for office. [/QUOTE] I’m a member of my church (obviously) and I have no problem with that. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-proof-that-a-bju-education-isnt-worth-much/391352/43 "2007-02-09T01:48:27Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] First saw the title, thought “A doctorate degree in Advanced Fellatio”? Hanging out with you guys is _totally_ corrupting! [/QUOTE] Hey, I started the thread and I thought that the next time I looked at the forum’s thread list! ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-proof-that-a-bju-education-isnt-worth-much/391352/44 "2007-02-09T01:50:16Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Only applies in church. [/QUOTE] Which is kind of my point about their point. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-proof-that-a-bju-education-isnt-worth-much/391352/45 "2007-02-09T04:16:06Z")
[QUOTE=Monty] Which is kind of my point about their point. [/QUOTE] 😕 No it isn’t, **Monty.** Just because women are enjoined to keep quiet in church doesn’t mean they are enjoined from preaching and/or evangelizing. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-proof-that-a-bju-education-isnt-worth-much/391352/46 "2007-02-09T04:38:48Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] What, you don’t feel that what you have faith in is more important and real than the governments of this world? [/QUOTE] It’s not a question of priority. You can separate faith from secular politics in the same way that you can separate faith from science. I can’t remember **Monty** ever indicating that a political candidate’s particular faith (or lack thereof) made any difference to how he evaluated them (unless maybe they’re a nazi or something). He’s not guilty of any hypocrisy here. ---
**Author:** ![if6was9](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e47c2d/32.png) [@if6was9](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/if6was9)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-proof-that-a-bju-education-isnt-worth-much/391352/47 "2007-02-09T08:47:18Z")
[QUOTE=NicePete] Brings new meaning to the phrase “oral exams”. [/QUOTE] Not to mention Oral Roberts… ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-proof-that-a-bju-education-isnt-worth-much/391352/48 "2007-02-09T11:53:23Z")
Well, honestly, the woman in the OP is no more crazy than any other ‘single issue’ voter. There are voters on both sides of the aisle who evaluate their voting choice based on abortion, or gun control, or race relations, or whatever. Single issue voting is, to me, stupid in the extreme. No candidate is all of a piece. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-proof-that-a-bju-education-isnt-worth-much/391352/49 "2007-02-09T12:27:53Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] 😕 No it isn’t, **Monty.** Just because women are enjoined to keep quiet in church doesn’t mean they are enjoined from preaching and/or evangelizing. [/QUOTE] Wow. Perhaps you should tell some of the fundied out types that little bit. I’ve actually heard them preach that it’s a terrible sin for women to preach. And, yet again, my point is that whatever “the church” has going on has nothing to do with the government. There’s that whole SOCAS thing we’re supposed to have. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-proof-that-a-bju-education-isnt-worth-much/391352/50 "2007-02-09T16:11:26Z")
[QUOTE=Monty] And, yet again, my point is that whatever “the church” has going on has nothing to do with the government. There’s that whole SOCAS thing we’re supposed to have. [/QUOTE] Well, we’re talking about people who don’t accept that, aren’t we? I repeat: The hostility a large number of American Christian conservatives have to Romney just because he is a Mormon **is not going to change.** Not by 2008. It will take many more years for them to come around to thinking of religious-conservative Mormons as being on the same side as themselves; look at how long it took for conservative Protestants to ally with conservative Catholics. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-proof-that-a-bju-education-isnt-worth-much/391352/51 "2007-02-09T16:17:09Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] It’s not a question of priority. You can separate faith from secular politics in the same way that you can separate faith from science. [/quote] No - **you** can. Doesn’t mean everyone can. If I believe God is telling me to vote a particular way for a particular reason, do I say, “yassuh, God, you’re Lord of _everything_,” or do I tell God about SOCAS, and explain to Him that the Constitution of the country I happen to live in has limited His dominion to nongovernmental matters in that country? > [@](#): > > I can’t remember **Monty** ever indicating that a political candidate’s particular faith (or lack thereof) made any difference to how he evaluated them (unless maybe they’re a nazi or something). He’s not guilty of any hypocrisy here. It’s not a question of hypocrisy; it’s a question of first principles. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-proof-that-a-bju-education-isnt-worth-much/391352/52 "2007-02-09T23:51:52Z")
Educate me here, please: doesn’t America’s much-vaunted Constitution guarantee freedom of religion? So why his being a Mormon at all relevant? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2007, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-proof-that-a-bju-education-isnt-worth-much/391352/53 "2007-02-09T23:57:06Z")
[QUOTE=Quartz] Educate me here, please: doesn’t America’s much-vaunted Constitution guarantee freedom of religion? So why his being a Mormon at all relevant? [/QUOTE] Because people can vote for whatever reasons seem good to them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-proof-that-a-bju-education-isnt-worth-much/391352.md?page=2)