# Some suggestions regarding the situation around George Floyd's death. Are these ideas simplistic? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 29, 2020, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661 "2020-05-29T12:57:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/61 "2020-05-30T19:50:46Z")
> [@Mdcastle](#): > > My solution: prosecute each and everyone setting fires, looting, blocking traffic, committing assaults, etc to the fullest extent of the law. If you want to protest you can do so without being a criminal. A solution to what? The “problem” of police being held accountable for their actions? ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/62 "2020-05-30T19:58:29Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > How do you know that the deceased was “into some dirty shit”? At the very worst, he knowingly tried to pass a fake $20 to buy some cigarettes. It is entirely possible that he didn’t know it was fake, and not having seen the bill, I don’t even know if it actually was fake or if the cashier simply thought it was. > > If it was a hit, even an idiot wouldn’t do it in broad daylight with cameras on them. > > I think it was exactly as it looks, the cop wanted to assert his dominance and had a sociopathic desire to inflict pain and humiliation on others. This is not the first time that he has abused his authority in this manner, it’s just the first time that he did so on camera. > > He didn’t mean to kill him, just to harm and dehumanize. That doesn’t make it all that much better, IMHO. He tried to pass fake twenties twice at the same store. I’m not saying he should have been killed for that but come on. He was trying to change the counterfeits for real money. Any cop that moonlights as a bouncer is suspect. This cop was known bad, and any real investigation would likely show that he was in on it, along with other cops. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/63 "2020-05-30T20:05:17Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > He tried to pass fake twenties twice at the same store. I’m not saying he should have been killed for that but come on. He was trying to change the counterfeits for real money. Even if this is true so what? AFAIK no one is complaining the cop had no right to stop him. People are complaining that the cop did a slow strangle on the guy in the street. Even if he did pass a fake $20 so what? How does that change your view of what happened (assuming the fake $20 actually happened which I don’t think we know yet). If it does not matter why mention it? ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/64 "2020-05-30T20:28:32Z")
He didn’t just happen to have a fake $20. He tried twice at the same store. In fact it was the store that called the cops in the first place, after they told him it was fake the first time. He was clearly trying to break the fake cash. My mind is not changed, the cop that responded knew him, realized that he was trying to pass the fake twenties, and was worried the scheme he was involved in might be exposed. So he killed him. Cops don’t give a shit about broad daylight. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/65 "2020-05-30T20:36:17Z")
Look, I’m just saying we are being played here. This is clearly not about the random dehumanizing of a black man. This was clearly a personal beef between two players in the gangster game but now everyone has attached their own bullcrap to it. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/66 "2020-05-30T20:39:26Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Look, I’m just saying we are being played here. This is clearly not about the random dehumanizing of a black man. This was clearly a personal beef between two players in the gangster game but now everyone has attached their own bullcrap to it. IF he was passing fake $20s then he deserved to be arrested. Fine. No one has issue with that. They have issue with slowly strangling him to death for that. I am not sure what pointing out he was passing fake 20’s get you with this. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/67 "2020-05-30T20:41:34Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > He tried to pass fake twenties twice at the same store. I’m not saying he should have been killed for that but come on. He was trying to change the counterfeits for real money. > > Any cop that moonlights as a bouncer is suspect. This cop was known bad, and any real investigation would likely show that he was in on it, along with other cops. I’d not seen any stories indicating that this was a repeat offense. Do you have a link to such? That still doesn’t mean that he was into any sort of “dirty shit”, as you indicate. As far as the POS cop, much as I am loathe to present anything like a defense, I disagree that a cop having a side job providing security for a private establishment is “suspect.” I also question what you think he was “in on”. Are you trying to say that this cop was in on the “scam” of changing as much as $40 into cigarettes and change? And then, because I guess Floyd got “caught”, he had to be executed in broad daylight in front of a bunch of cameras? Come on. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/68 "2020-05-30T20:48:32Z")
I think we are talking past each other. I’m saying that they were in on a criminal scheme, both of them. When the cop responded about the fake money, he saw that it was his partner in crime and killed him. Using the cover of him being police. They were both in the game, but one thought he had the blue shield. This story is not about dehumanizing black people. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/69 "2020-05-30T20:49:52Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I’d not seen any stories indicating that this was a repeat offense. Do you have a link to such? That still doesn’t mean that he was into any sort of “dirty shit”, as you indicate. > As far as the POS cop, much as I am loathe to present anything like a defense, I disagree that a cop having a side job providing security for a private establishment is “suspect.” I also question what you think he was “in on”. Are you trying to say that this cop was in on the “scam” of changing as much as $40 into cigarettes and change? > > And then, because I guess Floyd got “caught”, he had to be executed in broad daylight in front of a bunch of cameras? > > Come on. It was twice at the same store at the same time, they interviewed the store owner. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/70 "2020-05-30T20:50:25Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > He didn’t just happen to have a fake $20. He tried twice at the same store. In fact it was the store that called the cops in the first place, after they told him it was fake the first time. He was clearly trying to break the fake cash. > > My mind is not changed, the cop that responded knew him, realized that he was trying to pass the fake twenties, and was worried the scheme he was involved in might be exposed. So he killed him. Cops don’t give a shit about broad daylight. > [@](#): > > I think we are talking past each other. I’m saying that they were in on a criminal scheme, both of them. When the cop responded about the fake money, he saw that it was his partner in crime and killed him. Using the cover of him being police. They were both in the game, but one thought he had the blue shield. > > This story is not about dehumanizing black people. That’s… quite the story that you have determined must be true. I’ve done a fair amount of looking, and I’m still not finding where they accuse him of trying to pass the bill twice. Do you actually have a source for this? I’ve read the interviews with the store owner, and he said nothing like what you are accusing. In fact, he said that they get people from time to time that don’t even know that they have fake money. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/71 "2020-05-30T20:52:19Z")
He was a bouncer k9bfriender. Think strip clubs and all that. I’ve been in that life 25 years ago, not on the cop side of course. The cops doing those kind of side jobs are players, straight gangsters. I think you know that. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/72 "2020-05-30T21:01:54Z")
He’s saying that now, after all the shit. That’s not what he said at first. I’ll be back with a link of what I saw him say. I have to get it off my other computer so it will be a bit. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/73 "2020-05-30T21:03:29Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > He was a bouncer k9bfriender. Think strip clubs and all that. I’ve been in that life 25 years ago, not on the cop side of course. The cops doing those kind of side jobs are players, straight gangsters. I think you know that. So, all bouncers are criminals. When I visit the bar that reopened last week, I will be sure to mention that to my friend standing by the door. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/74 "2020-05-30T21:07:20Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > He’s saying that now, after all the shit. That’s not what he said at first. I’ll be back with a link of what I saw him say. I have > to get it off my other computer so it will be a bit. Once again: _What is your source for all this?_ ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/75 "2020-05-30T21:20:08Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Once again: _What is your source for all this?_ I’ve given the benefit of the doubt and really tried to find what he was talking about. It is possible that he saw [https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/01/20/woman-arrested-for-passing-counterfeit-100-bills-twice-at-same-sonoma-county-store/](https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/01/20/woman-arrested-for-passing-counterfeit-100-bills-twice-at-same-sonoma-county-store/) that headline, and thought that it was about George Floyd. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/76 "2020-05-30T21:28:10Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I’ve given the benefit of the doubt and really tried to find what he was talking about. > > It is possible that he saw [https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/01/20/woman-arrested-for-passing-counterfeit-100-bills-twice-at-same-sonoma-county-store/](https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/01/20/woman-arrested-for-passing-counterfeit-100-bills-twice-at-same-sonoma-county-store/) that headline, and thought that it was about George Floyd. Okay, after having done the research to bolster another’s point, I found a cite. [https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/05/28/owner-of-minneapolis-grocery-store-recounts-george-floyd-killing/24459163/](https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/05/28/owner-of-minneapolis-grocery-store-recounts-george-floyd-killing/24459163/) > [@](#): > > The man tried to use what an employee suspected was a counterfeit $20 bill but an employee caught it, gave it back to the man and they left, Abumayyaleh said. Roughly 10 minutes later, Floyd came back in the store and used a suspicious $20 bill, according to the owner. So it does seem the case that he did try to use the same bill twice. Still not supporting the conspiracy theory being spun. Especially given the further remarks of the owner… > [@](#): > > Abumayyaleh remembered Floyd as someone who was always pleasant. He said Floyd “may not have even known that the bill was counterfeit.” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/77 "2020-05-30T21:38:38Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So, all bouncers are criminals. > > When I visit the bar that reopened last week, I will be sure to mention that to my friend standing by the door. I was a bounced briefly, so no. But at skanky strip clubs? That is a good bet. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/78 "2020-05-30T23:15:07Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Okay, after having done the research to bolster another’s point, I found a cite. > > [https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/05/28/owner-of-minneapolis-grocery-store-recounts-george-floyd-killing/24459163/](https://www.aol.com/article/news/2020/05/28/owner-of-minneapolis-grocery-store-recounts-george-floyd-killing/24459163/) > > So it does seem the case that he did try to use the same bill twice. Still not supporting the conspiracy theory being spun. Especially given the further remarks of the owner… I’m saying this is not what he said at first. I about to fire up my laptop to get the link. ---
**Author:** ![split\_p\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e19b73/32.png) [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/79 "2020-05-30T23:20:04Z")
Bouncers have the same mindset as the cops. They are used to pushing people around. Are they all criminals no, but they are used to being violent to achieve their goals. I can’t believe we are playing word games with this bouncer thing. Bouncers are different form security personnel. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661/80 "2020-05-30T23:29:58Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > Bouncers have the same mindset as the cops. They are used to pushing people around. Are they all criminals no, but they are used to being violent to achieve their goals. I can’t believe we are playing word games with this bouncer thing. Bouncers are different form security personnel. And I have no question on that. I used to work in bars, I’ve met some violent bouncers, I’ve also met very peaceful bouncers. I can certainly see officer POS fitting the bill. I’ve only once been to a strip club, over 20 years ago, dragged for my friend’s 21st birthday, so I can’t say much about bouncers in strip clubs. But your contention is that these two men had some sort of phony money laundering scheme going on, based on the fact that they both worked at the same location. You are contending that Floyd got caught, and that officer POS killed him to cover it up. That’s what you are lacking anything other than pure speculation for. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-suggestions-regarding-the-situation-around-george-floyds-death-are-these-ideas-simplistic/854661.md?page=5)