# Some very non-Pitting questions for Bricker
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [August 12, 2014, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375 "2014-08-12T16:19:53Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/41 "2014-08-12T19:06:28Z")
Now, to substance:
> [@Bricker](#):
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> If the left were put in unfettered charge – that is, there was no counterbalancing influence – then it’s hard to say what kinds of things might cause ruin first. Unchecked immigration might strain our social infrastructure’s ability to provide support, for example.
I’m not in favor of unchecked immigration. How about anyone else here? Or is this a strawman?
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> An unwillingness to use military force, or to use such force only when civilian casualties and American military deaths are near zero, might create instabilities in the world.
Again, an extremely inaccurate description of my position. Anyone else here “unwilling to use military force, or to use such force only when civilian casualties and American military deaths are near zero” or is this another strawman?
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> An unwillingness to support Israel might lead to an untenable Middle East situation.
Don’t you mean, an unwillingness to support Israel in maintaining their occupation and stranglehold on the West Bank, and their blockade of Gaza, and an unwillingness to support them every time they decide they want to kill a thousand Palestinians in response to an Israeli death?
Nah, I’m good with supporting Israel’s right to be where they are, minus the West Bank occupation and the Gaza blockade. Much as a part of me would like to invite Israel to relocate itself to west Texas. Strawman again, at least as it applies to me. Can’t speak for my fellow Dopers.
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> The willingness to raise minimum wages to some left concept of a living wage would probably stifle business growth, destroy a tax base, and lead us further into ruin by inviting a more Stalinist set of government controls, blaming the failures on greedy profiteers instead of the destructive nature of such controls.
Ain’t nothing to say to this but to :rolleyes: in a major way. Is there a ‘Fox’ key on your keyboard that spits out stuff like this as a macro?
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### Author:  [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/42 "2014-08-12T19:09:13Z")
> [@Debaser](#):
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> Of course an ultra-liberal government run according to the uber-leftists that post here would result in ruin. Is that even remotely debatable?
Yes, that’s debatable.
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### Author:  [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/43 "2014-08-12T19:11:28Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#):
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> That seems fair to me. If an accusation is made publicly, it’s surely reasonable to ask for clarification/explanation just as publicly.
Not just that, but imagine the potential for someone to say they are being stalked or harassed or otherwise persecuted after they’ve already made their contempt and disdain clear.
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### Author:  [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/44 "2014-08-12T19:14:52Z")
> [@Debaser](#):
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> It’s a good thing that no liberals on this board ever say bad things about Conservatives and the results of their concepts of morality.
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> :rolleyes:
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> Of course an ultra-liberal government run according to the uber-leftists that post here would result in ruin. Is that even remotely debatable?
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> For the record, I wouldn’t want to live in a one party state of either party. But just look at California if you want to see the result of Democrat only rule.
If liberals were put in charge we’d be similar to the Netherlands. (Oh noes!!1)
If conservatives were put in charge we’d be in the Mad Max version of The Handmaid’s Tale.
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### Author:  [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/45 "2014-08-12T19:18:39Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> Now, to substance:I’m not in favor of unchecked immigration. How about anyone else here? Or is this a strawman?
Why not?
What moral principle allows you to restrict entry into this country to needy people, merely because of an accident of their birth?
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### Author:  [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/46 "2014-08-12T19:18:41Z")
ETA: Oops, missed 10 minutes of posts.
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### Author:  [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/47 "2014-08-12T19:19:22Z")
Yes, yes. Liberals = good and Conservatives = bad. I’ve got it.
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### Author:  [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/48 "2014-08-12T19:23:15Z")
> [@Debaser](#):
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> …For the record, I wouldn’t want to live in a one party state of either party. But just look at California if you want to see the result of Democrat only rule.
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I feel the same way about Chicago. One-party rule. They’ve long lost the ability to rule by compromise or even consider a compromise. Why anyone would vote for a Chicago politician is beyond me.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/49 "2014-08-12T19:23:26Z")
> [@Bricker](#):
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> I believe you.
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> Now go congratulate the folks who believe that exposing a child to organized religion is potentially far more dangerous than porn. Their morality is also top-notch.
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> Right?
Kinda depends. “Jesus loves all the little children of the world”? Cool.
“The King is the King because that’s the way God wants it”? Not so much.
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### Author:  [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/50 "2014-08-12T19:23:41Z")
Is there a single national politician who would remove US support from Israel? Who is calling for unchecked immigration?
**Bricker’s** definition of the Left must be very narrow indeed. Like six guys in Nader t-shirts in Vermont.
What a fever swamp.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/51 "2014-08-12T19:26:18Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#):
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> Is there a single national politician who would remove US support from Israel?..
Well, Rand Paul was, at one point. He later clarified his position.
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### Author:  [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/52 "2014-08-12T19:27:57Z")
> [@doorhinge](#):
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> (post shortened)
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> I feel the same way about Chicago. One-party rule. They’ve long lost the ability to rule by compromise or even consider a compromise. Why anyone would vote for a Chicago politician is beyond me.
They compromise all the time with different factions of the Democratic Party. It’s part of governing. Or used to be.
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### Author:  [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/53 "2014-08-12T19:35:48Z")
Is **doorhinge** **Bricker’s** new sidekick/bodyguard?
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### Author:  [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/54 "2014-08-12T19:38:29Z")
> [@Bozuit](#):
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> Is **doorhinge** **Bricker’s** new sidekick/bodyguard?
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> (post shortened)
Here is a short video of them together: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVNHcob3oJg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVNHcob3oJg)
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/55 "2014-08-12T19:43:36Z")
> [@Bricker](#):
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> Why not?
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> What moral principle allows you to restrict entry into this country to needy people, merely because of an accident of their birth?
Now that you’ve taken both sides of this argument, maybe I should step aside while you have it out with yourself. Let me know who wins. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/56 "2014-08-12T19:56:58Z")
> [@Debaser](#):
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> It’s a good thing that no liberals on this board ever say bad things about Conservatives and the results of their concepts of morality.
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> :rolleyes:
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> Of course an ultra-liberal government run according to the uber-leftists that post here would result in ruin. Is that even remotely debatable?
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> For the record, I wouldn’t want to live in a one party state of either party. But just look at California if you want to see the result of Democrat only rule.
Actually, since we’ve had one-party rule the budget is in surplus and passed on time, housing prices are skyrocketing, and unemployment is falling. The horror.
While I agree that in general one party rule is bad, might I note that one party tries to disenfranchise those likely to vote against it and redistricts to keep a majority. And it ain’t the Democrats.
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### Author:  [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/57 "2014-08-12T19:59:25Z")
Why is it that you are unable to come out and say what your position on immigration is?
You opened another thread that went five pages recently that was about immigration, yet you managed to never stake out your position.
The closest you got was this:
> [@A Pitting of the good Christians of the American Family Association](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/a-pitting-of-the-good-christians-of-the-american-family-association/694578/185):
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> Y’know, some would say that children making a hazardous journey up the length of Mexico from other Central American countries without adult guidance, should be given the benefit of the doubt on this point.
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> Maybe some of these kids were from reasonably safe places, and were just out on an extended joyride. And if so, they should certainly be returned home if it is found that that is the case. But absent such knowledge, ISTM that the Christian approach would be to err on the side of mercy.
This isn’t exactly black and white being in favor of open borders, but since you refuse to clarify, it’s basically the same thing.
That’s the thing about many policies favored by Democrats. They can’t admit it, because they know it sounds crazy to most normal people. They just do it.
You’re not in favor of unrestricted immigration. You just think that every kid from south of the border that manages to hop a train and make it up here should stay.
The problem is that those are basically the same thing.
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### Author:  [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/58 "2014-08-12T20:01:17Z")
> [@Bozuit](#):
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> Is **doorhinge** **Bricker’s** new sidekick/bodyguard?
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> (post shortened)
(I think it’s still too long 😃 )
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### Author:  [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/59 "2014-08-12T20:03:07Z")
> [@Lobohan](#):
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> Here is a short video of them together: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVNHcob3oJg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVNHcob3oJg)
Are you represented by the bulldog?
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### Author:  [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)
#### Post date: [August 12, 2014, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/some-very-non-pitting-questions-for-bricker/695375/60 "2014-08-12T20:19:32Z")
> [@Debaser](#):
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> Why is it that you are unable to come out and say what your position on immigration is?
If there’s a need, I’ll do so. In this thread, the main thing I wanted to say was that of course I’m against unrestricted immigration. If we had open borders, we’d surely get far more immigrants than we could handle.
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> You opened another thread that went five pages recently that was about immigration, yet you managed to never stake out your position.
IMHO, it was about _children._ (I’ve never ‘gotten’ why “won’t someone think of the children?” is a Bad Thing, if in fact it’s an issue that affects children in a major way.)
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> The closest you got was this:
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> This isn’t exactly black and white being in favor of open borders, but since you refuse to clarify, it’s basically the same thing.
I don’t recall being _asked_ to clarify. But I think we have the resources to help out the 70,000 unaccompanied children that have shown up in the past year in whatever manner is most appropriate, without breaking a sweat.
There. That’s all you need to know about my position on immigration, for that thread and this one. I’m not running for office, I’m not going to put out a White Paper on every issue under the sun.
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