# Somebody get on this STAT! Fan made Marvel vs DC trailer **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 23, 2014, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-get-on-this-stat-fan-made-marvel-vs-dc-trailer/708070 "2014-12-23T23:57:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2014, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-get-on-this-stat-fan-made-marvel-vs-dc-trailer/708070/21 "2014-12-26T22:41:58Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Wonder Woman always seemed secretly overpowered to me. She’s a little weaker than Superman except she doesn’t die to glowing rocks. The kryptonite weakness is the least of Superman’s weaknesses - save for the mid-late Silver Age, kryptonite isn’t actually that common - he has more issues with villains who produce k-radiation in their bodies. The ‘red sun radiation’ is fairly easily exploited, and the magic weakness is hit really often - and is most likely the important one to hit him in the scenario outlined in the trailer linked in the OP (where the DC characters slip into the Marvel universe) - Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel/Shazam, and other magically empowered characters can knock him for a loop (despite the actual hit presumably actually being simple physical force, the fact that they get their powers from magic is enough to get through his invulnerability). ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [December 26, 2014, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-get-on-this-stat-fan-made-marvel-vs-dc-trailer/708070/22 "2014-12-26T23:25:19Z")
> [@Kamino\_Neko](#): > > The kryptonite weakness is the least of Superman’s weaknesses - save for the mid-late Silver Age, kryptonite isn’t actually that common - he has more issues with villains who produce k-radiation in their bodies. What villains do that? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2014, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-get-on-this-stat-fan-made-marvel-vs-dc-trailer/708070/23 "2014-12-27T00:12:13Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > What do I think? Which universe does Dr. Manhattan inhabit? Who ever has him wins. Dr. Manhattan answers a question nobody asked: _What If Dr. Strange Was A Nudist?_ ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2014, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-get-on-this-stat-fan-made-marvel-vs-dc-trailer/708070/24 "2014-12-27T00:42:17Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > What villains do that? I think the only one still around is the Kryptonite Man, but there’ve also been Titano and Conduit. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-get-on-this-stat-fan-made-marvel-vs-dc-trailer/708070/25 "2014-12-28T13:01:44Z")
Metallo, also. He had a kryptonite heart. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-get-on-this-stat-fan-made-marvel-vs-dc-trailer/708070/26 "2014-12-28T18:46:50Z")
Yeah, but I was thinking about the ones who don’t use actual kryptonite since that conversation thread started with my mentioning the relative rarity of kryptonite relative to his other weaknesses. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2014, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-get-on-this-stat-fan-made-marvel-vs-dc-trailer/708070/27 "2014-12-28T21:54:55Z")
Would this be the place to mention my [current monitor wallpaper](http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/8558/@DC-VS-MARVEL-Image.jpg)? ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2014, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-get-on-this-stat-fan-made-marvel-vs-dc-trailer/708070/28 "2014-12-29T06:17:36Z")
The Silver Surfer, as portrayed in comics, could solo the JLA. Add Captain Marvel (Photon) to the Avengers, along with the Sentry and things change very rapidly. Of course, these are movies so only the most popular characters will interact. Will Nieves happen until all the rights are consolidated. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2014, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-get-on-this-stat-fan-made-marvel-vs-dc-trailer/708070/29 "2014-12-29T08:57:01Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > . . . What do I think? Which universe does Dr. Manhattan inhabit? Who ever has him wins. The Watchmen are DC, but they’re in a corner all by themselves and don’t really play with anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2014, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-get-on-this-stat-fan-made-marvel-vs-dc-trailer/708070/30 "2014-12-29T11:20:26Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > My husband does not believe anyone would pick DC over Marvel. What about The Immortals? he asks through me. Silver Surfer? The Scarlet Witch? Too many to mention, he insists. > > He made me type this. I only know the movie and some cartoon guys. What do I think? Which universe does Dr. Manhattan inhabit? Who ever has him wins. The Eternals (I’m not sure who else counts as “Immortals” at Marvel, although there are Marvel characters that don’t age that are called immortals) are all right, but DC has the New Gods (also a Jack Kirby creation) that probably match them. > [@marshmallow](#): > > I don’t know about the comics so much but I’ve watched the Justice League series and most of the DC animated movies and Wonder Woman always seemed secretly overpowered to me. [snip] > > One thing I was never sure about was if WW would be hurt by bullets or other minor projectiles. They always show her blocking it with her cuffs, but they never show bullets bouncing off her skin like they do with Superman. There’s been fights where it seems like she’s in danger of being cut with stabbing weapons – wielded by demi-gods, but still. But they also show her being thrown through skyscrapers, so she’s kind all over the place (like she doesn’t always have flight, either). In her 2009 movie she killed Hades’s earthly form by cutting his head off with a normal sword after punching him and throwing him around didn’t seem to faze him. Lots of fridge logic. Wondy is not traditionally “invulnerable” like Superman, but in recent years she has been written as tougher than normal. It’s very much depending on the writer. She occupies this weird space where, as the token female, she is reinterpreted often. Sometimes she’s supposed to be a match for Superman, sometimes she’s just The Chick. Lately, they seem to be playing her as both. > [@Lochdale](#): > > The Silver Surfer, as portrayed in comics, could solo the JLA. > > Add Captain Marvel (Photon) to the Avengers, along with the Sentry and things change very rapidly. Captain Marvel (Photon) is going by “Spectrum” now, and on a “Mighty Avengers” team with another Superman analogue, the Blue Marvel. Between the Blue Marvel, Hyperion, and Ultra Girl, Marvel might not need the Sentry back to match DC’s Martians and Kryptonians. The Flash arguably could still be a pain, as he’s generally written as more over the top than Marvel’s speedsters. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2014, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-get-on-this-stat-fan-made-marvel-vs-dc-trailer/708070/31 "2014-12-29T21:09:50Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Captain Marvel (Photon) is going by “Spectrum” now, and on a “Mighty Avengers” team with another Superman analogue, the Blue Marvel. > > Between the Blue Marvel, Hyperion, and Ultra Girl, Marvel might not need the Sentry back to match DC’s Martians and Kryptonians. The Flash arguably could still be a pain, as he’s generally written as more over the top than Marvel’s speedsters. Ahhh thanks, if written well she could be overpowered. Flash is much faster then any of Marvel’s speedsters with the exception of the Runner, the Sentry and the Surfer. That’s why the Surfer is so ridiculous. He has Flash like speed with the ability to do pretty much whatever he wants. ---
**Author:** ![tim314](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tim314/32/3468_2.png) [@tim314](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tim314)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2014, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-get-on-this-stat-fan-made-marvel-vs-dc-trailer/708070/32 "2014-12-29T23:04:39Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > That’s why the Surfer is so ridiculous. He has Flash like speed with the ability to do pretty much whatever he wants. The question is, does being able to fly at a certain speed translate into being able to attack and defend against attacks at that same rate? (Logically one might say “yes” because if you didn’t have reflexes to match your flight speed, you’d crash into things… but comics aren’t always logical.) I can’t think of a time I’ve seen Silver Surfer launch a few dozen separate attacks within a fraction of a second – something the Flash has certainly demonstrated the ability to do, as have even lower-level speedsters like Quicksilver. I used to spend a lot of time arguing on the internet about whether superhero A would beat superhero B, and this was always a point of contention… here’s a pretty typical example of that kind of debate: > **[Silver Surfers reaction time and combat speed - Silver Surfer - Comic Vine](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/silver-surfer/4005-2502/forums/silver-surfers-reaction-time-and-combat-speed-557085/)** > > Now, we all know SS can fly from point A to point B much faster then light, butHow good is his reaction time and combat speed? Is it massively  FTL, j ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2014, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-get-on-this-stat-fan-made-marvel-vs-dc-trailer/708070/33 "2014-12-29T23:25:02Z")
> [@tim314](#): > > The question is, does being able to fly at a certain speed translate into being able to attack and defend against attacks at that same rate? (Logically one might say “yes” because if you didn’t have reflexes to match your flight speed, you’d crash into things… but comics aren’t always logical.) I can’t think of a time I’ve seen Silver Surfer launch a few dozen separate attacks within a fraction of a second – something the Flash has certainly demonstrated the ability to do, as have even lower-level speedsters like Quicksilver. > > I used to spend a lot of time arguing on the internet about whether superhero A would beat superhero B, and this was always a point of contention… here’s a pretty typical example of that kind of debate: > [http://www.comicvine.com/silver-surfer/4005-2502/forums/silver-surfers-reaction-time-and-combat-speed-557085/](http://www.comicvine.com/silver-surfer/4005-2502/forums/silver-surfers-reaction-time-and-combat-speed-557085/) I did the same myself (usually on the CBR boards which I think are better moderated) but he does more then fly on it. Feats like flying through a planet’s defenses and getting someone out of jail at such speed that he is off the planet before the alarm senors trip (so many multiples of light speed) or scanning the planet earth is less then then it takes for Dr. Strange to complete a sentence. He and the board are one etc. but he has enough speed feats to say he’s Flash level (also the Infinity Gauntlet grab from a light year away). From my experience, the general consensus is that the Surfer is at Flash levels. Not sure the Flash can actually hurt a guy who fights inside black holes but that is another issue entirely. Of course, none of this will matter in a movie as they tend to ignore any power set that might make sense. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-get-on-this-stat-fan-made-marvel-vs-dc-trailer/708070.md?page=1)