# Somebody please shove a chainsaw up Whoopi Goldberg's ass **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 4, 2007, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014 "2007-09-04T16:31:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/161 "2007-09-06T21:12:51Z")
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**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/162 "2007-09-06T21:14:11Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] Answer the fucking question YES or NO. Is my summation of your claim correct? [/QUOTE] It is as correct as saying “all dogs are mammals” is correct. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/163 "2007-09-06T21:16:22Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] Why are you pressing this? Is it that, like **Trion** , you cannot be bothered to read the thread, and simply want to drive by and snipe? [/QUOTE] I’ve read the thread (entirely too many times). And everytime I read it, I reached the one conclusion that you insist is wrong. I’m not trying to trick you, honest. My question is not that complicated. Seems like you could easily eliminate the confusion by answering the question. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/164 "2007-09-06T21:18:24Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] It is as correct as saying “all dogs are mammals” is correct. [/QUOTE] Do I take that as a YES? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/165 "2007-09-06T21:26:56Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] !'ve read the thread (entirely too many times). And everytime I read it, I reached the one conclusion that you insist is wrong. [/QUOTE] [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8951865&postcount=116](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8951865&postcount=116) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8951923&postcount=122](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8951923&postcount=122) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8951971&postcount=127](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8951971&postcount=127) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8952075&postcount=134](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8952075&postcount=134) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8953680&postcount=146](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8953680&postcount=146) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8954347&postcount=152](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8954347&postcount=152) All posts where I say I have abandoned that position. Again, why are you pressing this? [QUOTE=] Do I take that as a YES? [/QUOTE] SHIT. No. I meant to say “It is correct if saying \*some \*dogs are mammal is correct.” That should be clear from my previous posts. ---
**Author:** ![lobstermobster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobstermobster/32/10033_2.png) [@lobstermobster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobstermobster)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/166 "2007-09-06T22:03:03Z")
oh my god what the fuck is wrong with you guys. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/167 "2007-09-06T22:09:13Z")
As I understand it, you now then claim “Some explanations for bad behavior are excuses” and you do not claim the above statement is the equivalent of “Explanations for bad behavior are excuses”. Furthermore, this latter statement is incorrect. I have no arguement with these positions, assuming I have stated them correctly. Please note the EVERYONE who has been argueing with you believes you were claiming these two statements to be equivalent. You might consider that if EVERYONE was in disagreement with you, perhaps you were unclear. I am outta here. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/168 "2007-09-06T22:16:09Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] As I understand it, you now then claim “Some explanations for bad behavior are excuses” and you do not claim the above statement is the equivalent of “Explanations for bad behavior are excuses”. Furthermore, this latter statement is incorrect. [/QUOTE] Right. > [@](#): > > Please note the EVERYONE who has been argueing with you believes you were claiming these two statements to be equivalent. You might consider that if EVERYONE was in disagreement with you, perhaps you were unclear. I don’t believe \*\*Miller \*\*does. I could be wrong. At least, he never accused me of equating the two. It would oblige me no end if just one of the arguers could point out where I made such a claim. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/169 "2007-09-06T22:28:21Z")
[QUOTE=lobstermobster] oh my god what the fuck is wrong with you guys. [/QUOTE] The longer I live the more I am starting be beleive in Male PMS. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/170 "2007-09-06T22:29:44Z")
[QUOTE=Shirley Ujest] The longer I live the more I am starting be beleive in Male PMS. [/QUOTE] So, \*\*you with the face \*\*is off the hook? ---
**Author:** ![lobstermobster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobstermobster/32/10033_2.png) [@lobstermobster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobstermobster)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/171 "2007-09-06T22:36:14Z")
[QUOTE=Shirley Ujest] The longer I live the more I am starting be beleive in Male PMS. [/QUOTE] seriously!!! Look how no one else is posting anymore. Its like when a child throws a temper tantrum you just have to ignore it until they settle down. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/172 "2007-09-06T23:11:00Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] All posts where I say I have abandoned that position. Again, why are you pressing this? [/quote] Because I want to make absolutely positively sure that I’m understanding you correctly before I make judgements about your intelligence and your debating skills. That’s why. You did say you wanted to be friends, right? Okay then. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/173 "2007-09-06T23:18:07Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] So, \*\*you with the face \*\*is off the hook? [/QUOTE] [Yup.](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=off+the+hook) ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/174 "2007-09-06T23:27:29Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] Because I want to make absolutely positively sure that I’m understanding you correctly before I make judgements about your intelligence and your debating skills. That’s why. [/QUOTE] Then why did you not see those posts in the numerous times you read the thread? Serious question, no intent to snark. > [@](#): > > You did say you wanted to be friends, right? Okay then. I do, I really do. > [@](#): > > Yup. I never really doubted it. No kidding. ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2007, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/175 "2007-09-06T23:52:39Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] Then why did you not see those posts in the numerous times you read the thread? Serious question, no intent to snark. [/quote] You want the honest truth? Straight no chaser? 1. You started claiming in post #116 that people were misunderstanding you. You complained that you had amended prior statements about explanations for bad behavior being equivalent to excuses. You had abandoned that position and how dare us for not seeing it! And yet when asked to point out where you actually changed your position, you provided nothing except indignation and hand waving. 1. In post 116, you said you had changed your position to “An excuse is an explanation of bad behavior, by definition.” But then in a latter post (#134) you wrote “All explanations are excuses if and only if all explanations and explanations for bad behavior mean the same thing.” Whether you are aware of it or not, this latter statement suggests that you haven’t backed away from your original statement at all. _That’s why people are arguing with you and ignoring your claims that you abandoned whatever you keep saying you abandoned._ And your refusal to address requests for clarification in a straightforward manner has only hurt your case, not helped. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/176 "2007-09-07T00:09:56Z")
Whenever I get into a real life argument with **face** , which happens almost every time we visit each other, I quickly begin crying, throwing things (like fists), then finishing off with a round of “I HATE YOU, BITCH!” and “THAT’S WHY YOU LOOK LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON!!” While she just sits there, as cool as an ice cube. She’s just that good. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/177 "2007-09-07T00:23:21Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] But then in a latter post (#134) you wrote “All explanations are excuses if and only if all explanations and explanations for bad behavior mean the same thing.” [/QUOTE] **BJ** claimed that I said that\* all explanations\* were excuses. What I in fact said is that all explanations _for bad behavior_ were excuses. When I wrote “All explanations are excuses if and only if all explanations and explanations for bad behavior mean the same thing,” I was pointing out that saying “all excuses” is _not the same thing_ as saying “all excuses for bad behavior.” I was making no claim other than that the\* two cannot be equated.\* Let me say it with different punctuation : All explanations are excuses [if and only if] _all explanations_ and _explanations for bad behavior_ mean the same thing. I never said that “All explanations are excuses.” Every response I made was in refutation of that statement. Previous to BJ’s first response to me, I had already abandoned the position that “All explanations for bad behavior are excuses;” notably, in a post responding to you. Having abandoned it, I had no need or desire to defend it. Subsequent to **BJ** ’s post, all I was doing was defending against a position I never held, to wit, that all explanations are excuses for bad behavior. Just to drive the point home, if anyone can show where I took that position, I would be obliged. ---
**Author:** ![percypercy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@percypercy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/percypercy)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/178 "2007-09-07T00:31:25Z")
I’m so glad we’ve been able to keep on topic. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/179 "2007-09-07T00:46:35Z")
[QUOTE=percypercy] I’m so glad we’ve been able to keep on topic. [/QUOTE] Yeah? And how is that contribution to the point, exactly? ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2007, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014/180 "2007-09-07T00:50:12Z")
[QUOTE=Contrapuntal] **BJ** claimed that I said that\* all explanations\* were excuses. What I in fact said is that all explanations _for bad behavior_ were excuses. .. [/QUOTE] Is this STILL your position, or has something changed? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-please-shove-a-chainsaw-up-whoopi-goldbergs-ass/418014.md?page=10)