# Somebody summarize the debate for me **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 27, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034 "2016-09-27T14:02:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/21 "2016-09-27T15:07:32Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > As a businessman, one always hopes to buy cheap and sell high. All that tells is that Trump is a smart businessman who realised housing sector was in a bubble. And it was smart business for Martin Shkreli to raise prices on needed medication by thousands of dollars. A few people will admire the smart business tactics, but I think most will be uncomfortable at the very least about someone who profited off others misfortunes, or off their own misfortunes if they lost their home or job in the recession. I can imagine that there could have been some smart way for Trump to have spun this, but he didn’t manage to. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/22 "2016-09-27T15:09:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Money can be made in a good housing market which doesn’t result in people getting kicked out of their homes, and it can be made in bad housing markets. Trump admitted he was rooting for a bad market, and thus rooting for a lot of Americans to suffer and lose their homes. It’s called conviction and not 'rooting for. ‘Rooting for’ or not doesn’t make a difference . Bubbles are meant to burst. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/23 "2016-09-27T15:13:43Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > And it was smart business for Martin Shkreli to raise prices on needed medication by thousands of dollars. A few people will admire the smart business tactics, but I think most will be uncomfortable at the very least about someone who profited off others misfortunes, or off their own misfortunes if they lost their home or job in the recession. I can imagine that there could have been some smart way for Trump to have spun this, but he didn’t manage to. It’s not that. Bubbles are meant to burst. So it’s his conviction. ‘Rooting for’ or not doesn’t matter. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/24 "2016-09-27T15:15:04Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Basically a draw. > > She was at her ceiling, he has room to improve in the last 2 debates. _Doctor, doctor, give me a spin I can’t debate, and I need me a win_ ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/25 "2016-09-27T15:20:08Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > It’s called conviction and not 'rooting for. ‘Rooting for’ or not doesn’t make a difference . Bubbles are meant to burst. No, he actually rooted for it, and even admitted it. He just admitted he doesn’t care if people are suffering if he can make a buck from it. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/26 "2016-09-27T15:21:00Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Basically a draw. > > She was at her ceiling, he has room to improve in the last 2 debates. Or as was said by a wise sage last night; “For Trump to win, he needed to avoid setting himself on fire. For Clinton to win, she needed to spontaneously evolve into a being of pure energy. So call it a draw.” ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/27 "2016-09-27T15:24:05Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Good summary. I was a bit disappointed with Hillary. She did fine, but she has been much better in the past. To be fair, though, it’s difficult to be at the top of your game when your opponent is a blabbering fool. > > But, to the extent this is about style instead of substance, Trump really got hurt by the split screen-- I think a number of posters mentioned that in the live debate thread. While Hillary was speaking, he was frowning and fidgety. And he interrupted her way too often. Hillary, OTOH, had a calm demeanor when Trump was speaking. If you think of the Nixon, Kennedy debates, Trump was Nixon (without the substance). He got a few good zingers in, but I don’t think there can be any question that HRC bested him. I agree that she has done better in the past. But she was plenty good enough last night. When you opponent insists on hanging himself, step back and offer rope. I think she should have brought up the use of Trump Foundation funds to pay off his legal obligations, but his stiffing of his contractors is more relatable to more people. I would have gone further by adding “and those three girls that sang in your rally, all they wanted was a table to sell their CDs and you couldn’t even make good on that!” I said before the debate that if you watch with the sound off, you can tell who won. When she talked, he looked like he had ants in his pants or was trying to hold in a fart. When he talked, she was at times dismissive but in general was polite and attentive. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/28 "2016-09-27T15:26:02Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Basically a draw. > > She was at her ceiling, he has room to improve in the last 2 debates. _The first presidential debate of the 2016 election was barely over before the spin began. First, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani lowered the bar for Donald Trump. This debate was not @realDonaldTrump’s best, but there are still two more. #debatenight — Rudolph Giuliani (@rudygiulianiGOP) September 27, 2016_ Then Rudy adds… _Donald Trump should skip the next two debates unless he gets special guarantees from the moderators, former New York mayor and top Trump adviser Rudy Giuliani told reporters after the debate._ so, next debate… Donald, these are the questions, but feel free to ramble on about anything though, oh, and don’t worry about taking too much time. You can use all of Hillary’s time you need. Sorry it was tap water, we’ll get Perrier for you next debate. Would a case be enough? So far, it’s one vote for draw, about a million for “she kicked his ass.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/29 "2016-09-27T15:26:23Z")
From the 538 elves, the description of this exchange tells a lot of why Hillary was considered the winner and why the world really does not need to have a dangerous bullshitter like him as the commander in chief. > **[What Went Down In The First Presidential Debate](https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/first-presidential-debate-election-2016/)** > > Live coverage of the first presidential debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, moderated by Lester Holt at Hofstra University. > [@](#): > > Seth Masket 10:46 PM > > It’s not obvious to me what the 10-second takeaway moment is from this debate. But there was one rather telling exchange on the subject of nuclear weapons that stood out to me. Holt asked Trump a question about changes to the no-first-use policy on nuclear weapons. Trump’s answer would generously be described as rambling, going from China to Yemen to payments to Iran to Israel. > > Clinton responded with this: > > > [@](#): > > > > Words matter when you run for president, and they really matter when you are president. And I want to reassure our allies in Japan and South Korea and elsewhere, that we have mutual defense treaties and we will honor them. It is essential that America’s word be good. **And so I know that this campaign has caused some questioning and some worries on the part of many leaders across the globe. I’ve talked with a number of them. But I want to — on behalf of myself, and I think on behalf of a majority of the American people — say that our word is good.** > > In this, she was essentially apologizing to America’s allies for Trump’s words. That’s a bit longer than a classic soundbite, but it could be worked into an effective ad and some devastating news coverage. In a nutshell that points to what is going on: Followers of Trump seem to like his “Alpha Male” show, but at the same time they think that his “bull in a china shop” approach to government and the world is an asset too. Uh, no. Those may not sound contradictory but in practice they are. A commander in chief should know he or she will be in control in a crisis, but it defeats the purpose, and efforts to world peace, if the plan is also that he \*\*will \*\*break the shop just to show off later “what a great guy I’m.” ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/30 "2016-09-27T15:34:39Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > No, he actually rooted for it, and even admitted it. He just admitted he doesn’t care if people are suffering if he can make a buck from it. And even if you buy the “it was just business” line, it needs a follow-up that says “Of course, I understand that being President comes with a different set of priorities than personal profit, so as President my position would be different.” (Or in Trumps case, the same statement with fewer words and syllables.) But he didn’t provide that. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/31 "2016-09-27T15:48:32Z")
8t reminded me of Joe Biden v Paul Ryan, where Biden guffawed so much he turned red while eating Ryan for lunch. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/32 "2016-09-27T15:51:19Z")
> [@TimeWinder](#): > > And even if you buy the “it was just business” line, it needs a follow-up that says “Of course, I understand that being President comes with a different set of priorities than personal profit, so as President my position would be different.” (Or in Trumps case, the same statement with fewer words and syllables.) But he didn’t provide that. I think Trump has made it clear that his incredibly successful, hard-driving business style _ **is** _ what he’s selling as perfect for the Oval Office. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/33 "2016-09-27T16:06:03Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > The guy who ghostwrote The Art of the Deal, says that Trump has an attention span just this side of ADHD, so trying to prepare for the debate might have been fruitless anyway. “I think Donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. And, yes, I did. You know what else I prepared for? I prepared to be president.” -Hilary > [@msmith537](#): > > Lisa Simpson vs Bart Simpson debating for Class President of Springfield Elementary. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/34 "2016-09-27T16:10:19Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Basically a draw. Like this one: [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjNbcKkNY) ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/35 "2016-09-27T16:15:11Z")
> [@Thudlow\_Boink](#): > > “I think Donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. And, yes, I did. You know what else I prepared for? I prepared to be president.” -Hilary > > 😃 That was a little weird since he wasn’t exactly criticizing her about that, he was rambling about something else, but it was a good line that she was waiting to use. And he certainly wasn’t able to refute it. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/36 "2016-09-27T16:15:11Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Basically a draw. _\_ ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/37 "2016-09-27T16:19:03Z")
Is this the part where the board shames me for not being a Hillary shill? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/38 "2016-09-27T16:22:54Z")
Patience, **Gulfy**. Patience. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/39 "2016-09-27T16:25:14Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Is this the part where the board shames me for not being a Hillary shill? No, there’s no mistaking who’s shill you are. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/40 "2016-09-27T16:26:26Z")
No, this is the part where we shame you for having no connection with reality, just like The Donald. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034.md?page=3)