# Somebody summarize the debate for me **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 27, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034 "2016-09-27T14:02:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/41 "2016-09-27T16:27:26Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > My debate kids described it as “Like watching a freshman who didn’t prep the topic debate the senior who wrote the handbook.” I’ve seen it described as “it was like watching Wikipedia debate a Markov chain”. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/42 "2016-09-27T16:28:30Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Is this the part where the board shames me for not being a Hillary shill? This is the part where the board laughs because your remark was laughably wrong. Which, I suppose, makes it appropriate that your response to Vinyl Turnip was also highly risible. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/43 "2016-09-27T16:32:25Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Basically a draw. …some other [famous draws from history](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ngq6FW_GGJA)… ---
**Author:** ![TheSeaOtter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ed655f/32.png) [@TheSeaOtter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheSeaOtter)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/44 "2016-09-27T16:33:59Z")
Clinton is getting hit by all the sexist double-standards. She needed to go on the attack, but not hard enough to be perceived as ‘shrill’ or ‘bossy’. She needed to provide enough detail to appear ‘substantive’, but not so much that people get bored. She had to look human without appearing ‘emotional’. She did a decent-if-imperfect job of threading those needles, in my opinion. Trump, meanwhile, needed to stand upright and avoid spewing Sarah-Palin-esque word salad. He failed. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/45 "2016-09-27T16:40:54Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > I think Trump has made it clear that his incredibly successful, hard-driving business style _ **is** _ what he’s selling as perfect for the Oval Office. I like businessmen that don’t have multiple bankruptcies. Trump couldn’t even run a Casino profitably, which is the closest thing to a license to print money. So I dispute he’s been incredibly successful. ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/46 "2016-09-27T16:43:36Z")
Well, if diversity of thought is unwelcome, at least I can provide some entertainment. Cheers! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/47 "2016-09-27T16:43:36Z")
Meet the Press actually called Clinton “over prepared”: > Meet the Press Verified account ‏@MeetThePress .@chucktodd: #debatenight exposed Trump’s lack of preparation, but Clinton seemed over-prepared at times. Nobody likes a bluestocking, right Chuck? ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/48 "2016-09-27T16:46:09Z")
Trump has been trying to stay on message to make himself appear less hostile to minorities and women. Hillary has been trying to portray him as hostile to these groups. On that front, she won last night. Calling him out for birtherism and his statements on women hopefully cost him some votes. Trump can’t win with only the votes of white people who are OK with racism and misogyny. There is a ceiling of about 30-40% with just them. So he has been pretending to care about women and minorities the last few weeks to get the last 10-20% who are repulsed by his statements. One writer basically said Hillary spent the debate reaching out to voters she needs, Trump spent it reaching out to his base who are already locked up. I’d agree with this assessment. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/49 "2016-09-27T16:47:39Z")
> [@GulfTiger](#): > > Well, if diversity of thought is unwelcome, > > at least I can provide some entertainment. > > Cheers! 🙂 Well, you’ve shown the ability to provide _one_ of the two, at least-thank you for that. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/50 "2016-09-27T16:54:41Z")
The red outfit was an eye-sore … just awful ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/51 "2016-09-27T16:56:49Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Calling him out for birtherism and his statements on women hopefully cost him some votes. It wasn’t just Clinton calling him out. His response was to embrace that accusation. An exchange like this: “He called Miss Universe, Miss Piggy” “Well of course I did! She was so fat! Just look at her!” If it had just been Clinton making accusations, it wouldn’t have hurt him half as much. She pulled the knife - Trump ran right into it. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/52 "2016-09-27T16:59:24Z")
You can get a glimpse of how the candidates fared by how they approached Lester Holt at the end of the debate: > ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/53 "2016-09-27T17:02:50Z")
Summary: Reince Priebus has quit pouring Baileys over his Lucky Charms. He’s switched to Everclear. ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/54 "2016-09-27T17:03:04Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [x.com](https://twitter.com/girlsreallyrule/status/780773458984579073) Well, since we’re citing twitter: [x.com](https://twitter.com/THATlSART/status/780810749539065856) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/55 "2016-09-27T17:03:40Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > As a businessman, one always hopes to buy cheap and sell high. All that tells is that Trump is a smart businessman who realised housing sector was in a bubble. So why didn’t he pull a Paulson? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/56 "2016-09-27T17:04:42Z")
> [@leahcim](#): > > Well, since we’re citing twitter: [x.com](https://twitter.com/THATlSART/status/780810749539065856) I cited a video from the debate. What the hell was THAT? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/57 "2016-09-27T17:26:20Z")
[quote=“Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew, post:34, topic:767034”] Like this one: [/QUOTE] I was thinking more along the lines of ["All right, we'll call it a draw."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhRUe-gz690) :D ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/58 "2016-09-27T17:34:29Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > The red outfit was an eye-sore … just awful You’ve said that in at least two threads now. I thought the outfit was fine, but seriously who gives a fuck? Are you trying to illustrate the sexist double standards that Clinton is successfully negotiating in addition to actually being a well qualified candidate? Trump was expected to show up in a suit that fit, and not get in a fistfight with the moderator. Clinton was expected to wear a good outfit, smile but still be serious, be aggressive without being overbearing, state coherent policy points without lecturing, et cetera. She’s juggling chainsaws on a tight rope, while Trump is doodling with crayons. And the main point you want to make is about her outfit? Please. ---
**Author:** ![GulfTiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e79b87/32.png) [@GulfTiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GulfTiger)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/59 "2016-09-27T17:36:45Z")
The biggest winner was her medical team. They got her to stand for 90 minutes. Impressive. [Modern med tech is amazing](http://i64.tinypic.com/2z5t6pi.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2016, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/60 "2016-09-27T17:44:32Z")
> [@oft\_wears\_hats](#): > > You’ve said that in at least two threads now. I thought the outfit was fine, but seriously who gives a fuck? Are you trying to illustrate the sexist double standards that Clinton is successfully negotiating in addition to actually being a well qualified candidate? > > Trump was expected to show up in a suit that fit, and not get in a fistfight with the moderator. Clinton was expected to wear a good outfit, smile but still be serious, be aggressive without being overbearing, state coherent policy points without lecturing, et cetera. She’s juggling chainsaws on a tight rope, while Trump is doodling with crayons. And the main point you want to make is about her outfit? Please. I agree, she looked fine, but even if she had come out dressed in a suit like The Riddler, she would have looked less ridiculous at the debate based on what Trump was saying. Also, I thought the red stood out nicely against the blue background. And it seems like she tricked him into wearing a blue tie because of the Between Two Ferns episode where she joked he’d wear his red power tie, or a white power tie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034.md?page=4)