# Somebody summarize the debate for me **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 27, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034 "2016-09-27T14:02:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/141 "2016-09-28T15:07:21Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > This qualifies as at least a class IV hurricane. I’m impresssed. If you’re saying you’ve been whooshed, then you’re right. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/142 "2016-09-28T15:08:43Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Yeah. With that much spin, Koufax would have thrown a no-hitter on every start. Which part was that, when I said Clinton pounded Trump or that he was inarticulate and unprepared? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/143 "2016-09-28T15:11:13Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > In the beginning of the debate, Trump ate Clinton alive for what seemed like a good 10-20 minutes mostly on trade policy. > > Then Holt lobbed several steel chairs into the ring and Clinton pounded Trump for an hour, completely on his personal history, notably his tax returns, birtherism, business dealings, and for judging a beauty queen on her looks. Trump was visibly unprepared and pulled way too many punches, and the punches he did throw were awkwardly articulated. > > The crowd was childish and if they aren’t on the Clinton Foundation dole now, they expect to be in the Clinton administration. The Trumpers were audibly irritated by this and responded a few times by cheering for Trump. > > It appears that Clinton had much more to lose in this debate, because of the recent trends in the polls, so she played all of her cards. She had to, and it appears to have worked. Trump was unprepared and showed genuine emotion. Something no candidate has done in my lifetime, so I am not sure how viewers will respond. He needs to attack in subsequent debates, because he is simply not good at defending himself. Indeed several of his transgressions are not defendable in today’s political climate. Trump needs to hammer her on the trade issue. Hammer her on the money that has been wasted on wars that she loves. This was a good theme that he brought up. We have 20 trillion in debt and nothing to show for it. He needs to flesh out this theme and hammer her with it. > > Hopefully next debate will not be so boring. That certainly is an interesting and unusual perspective. Had Trump released his tax returns, not been the king of the birthers, not stiffed people he owed money to, and not been a chauvinist pig, Hillary wouldn’t have hit him on these things. If Trump pulled any punches, he can certainly try next time. It won’t help him, but he can try. Hillary has by no means played all of her cards. The Trump Foundation scandal was not mentioned at all. She has plenty more up her sleeve. I agree that Trump was unprepared. I disagree that he showed genuine emotion or that he is capable of having genuine emotions. The Clinton Foundation doesn’t have people on the dole, they help people around the world. The Trump Foundation exists to pay off Trump’s legal troubles with other people’s money. It’s kind of hard to hammer Hillary on the war when Trump initially favored it. It’s hard to hammer her on the national debt when Bush created so much of it and Trump wants to supersize it with insane tax cuts. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/144 "2016-09-28T15:15:27Z")
Holt may have “lobbed several steel chairs into the ring” but it was Trump who bashed himself over the head with them. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/145 "2016-09-28T15:21:09Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > That certainly is an interesting and unusual perspective. > > Had Trump released his tax returns, not been the king of the birthers, not stiffed people he owed money to, and not been a chauvinist pig, Hillary wouldn’t have hit him on these things. Ok I was summarizing what happened in the debate. Do you dispute this account of the events? > [@](#): > > If Trump pulled any punches, he can certainly try next time. It won’t help him, but he can try It most certainly will help him. You think it would help him to remain stiff as he is assaulted? > [@](#): > > Hillary has by no means played all of her cards. The Trump Foundation scandal was not mentioned at all. She has plenty more up her sleeve. Meh, you sound like the right wingers I hear saying " Just wait til e hits her on Benghazi". LOL > [@](#): > > I agree that Trump was unprepared. I disagree that he showed genuine emotion or that he is capable of having genuine emotions. He showed anger and frustration. I watched on TV, not transistor radio. > [@](#): > > The Clinton Foundation doesn’t have people on the dole, they help people around the world. …wow > [@](#): > > The Trump Foundations exists to pay off Trump’s legal troubles with other people’s money Zzzz > [@](#): > > It’s kind of hard to hammer Hillary on the war when Trump initially favored it. It’s hard to hammer her on the national debt when Bush created so much of it and Trump wants to supersize it with insane tax cuts. No it’s not. Not for a politician. Clinton literally said “everyone should respect the law”, and claimed to not support the TPP. Politicians can say whatever they want. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/146 "2016-09-28T15:23:17Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Holt may have “lobbed several steel chairs into the ring” but it was Trump who bashed himself over the head with them. Yes! I like this much better. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/147 "2016-09-28T15:25:07Z")
Job 1 for Trump the other night was to keep his composure for 90 minutes. Knowing that, and knowing how important it was to do so, he still failed. Hell, he could barely manage 20 minutes. He didn’t just fail a test to be President. He failed a requirement of being competent adult. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/148 "2016-09-28T15:25:11Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > My favorite Hillary line from the debate: > > “I think Donald just criticized me for preparing for this debate. And yes I did. And you know what else I prepared for? I prepared to be president.” > > Win. Really? I was embarrassed for her. That line came out of nowhere, out of context. She clearly memorized it beforehand and was waiting for a chance to use it but flubbed its timing. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/149 "2016-09-28T15:31:18Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Really? I was embarrassed for her. That line came out of nowhere, out of context. She clearly memorized it beforehand and was waiting for a chance to use it but flubbed its timing. No: Trump just said that she’d stayed home while he was out campaigning. He’s pretty incoherent, but there was an implication there that she was irresponsible or something in staying home to prep for a debate instead of going out to have rallies and stuff. WillFarnaby, “whoosh” is an expression to describe when someone takes something seriously that was intended as a joke. I suppose maybe you were joking with that entire post, which would be less embarrassing for you–but please don’t think I was taking it seriously. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/150 "2016-09-28T15:51:29Z")
Whooshed as in it went over your head. Happens to those operating on a primitive partisan plane instead of dabbling with integrity and objectivity. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/151 "2016-09-28T16:11:12Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Clinton literally said “everyone should respect the law”, and claimed to not support the TPP. Politicians can say whatever they want. What the Hell is wrong with saying “Everyone should be respected by law and everyone should respect the law?” You disagree? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/152 "2016-09-28T16:27:35Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Whooshed as in it went over your head. Happens to those operating on a primitive partisan plane instead of dabbling with integrity and objectivity. Well, at least you know how to tell a joke on yourself. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/153 "2016-09-28T16:38:33Z")
Eric Trump says it was “Courage” that kept his dad from bringing up Bill Clinton’s infidelity: > **[Eric Trump: It Took “Courage” For My Dad To Not Mention Bill Clinton’s...](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/christophermassie/eric-trump-it-took-courage-for-my-dad-to-not-mention-bill-cl)** > > "That was a big moment for me and probably will actually become — my life and this campaign — and probably will be something I’ll always remember," Eric Trump said. > [@Eric Trump](#): > > He continued, “I mean, he really took the high ground where he had the opportunity to go very, very low. And I’m proud of him for doing that. I mean, I’m really proud of him for doing that. And I think people recognize that. I mean, there are a lot of people who came up to me, including many in the media, who said listen, he could’ve just crushed her on that last question. And he would’ve probably hurt a family if he did. > > “I don’t know, I think that took a lot of courage in so many regards and I think he really answered that well and took the high ground and kept the high road.” Chelsea Clinton, otoh, says that the Donald keep bringings up her Dad’s infidelity because he’s incapable of speaking about anything substantive. > **[Chelsea Clinton: Trump Brings Up Bill's Infidelity Because He Can't Talk...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chelsea-clinton-donald-trump_n_57ebc912e4b0c2407cda9c23?section=)** > > "I don’t remember a time in my life when my parents and my family weren’t being attacked." > [@Chelsea Clinton](#): > > Chelsea Clinton, daughter of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, said Republican nominee Donald Trump keeps making comments about her father’s infidelity to distract from his lack of knowledge on real issues. > > “\*t’s a distraction from his inability to talk about what’s actually at stake in this election and to offer concrete, comprehensive proposals about the economy, or our public school system, or debt-free college, or keeping our country safe and Americans safe here at home and around the world,” Clinton told Cosmopolitan. In summation, the Clintons are even winning the post-debate kiddie table. Also, Eric Trump remains a smarmy little git. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/154 "2016-09-28T16:47:28Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Whooshed as in it went over your head. Happens to those operating on a primitive partisan plane instead of dabbling with integrity and objectivity. That’s enough of that. Keep the personal cracks out of the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/155 "2016-09-28T16:55:12Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > That’s enough of that. Keep the personal cracks out of the discussion. In keeping with that, I humbly retract my response to **Will** ’s remark. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/156 "2016-09-28T16:56:36Z")
edit: nm ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/157 "2016-09-28T16:58:08Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Could you give the source for that? The last I saw was stuff in June, when it [definitely was still going down](http://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/homicides-in-nyc-continue-fall-down-13-so-far-in-2016-1.11866215). And Huffpo claims this is [still true as of August.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nypd-low-crime-first-quarter-2016_us_5702b0dae4b0a06d580653e3) > > If it’s not still going down, that just sounds like out of date numbers. But I suspect she’s right. It was 2015 when murders went up, but this is widely seen as an anomaly. Yes, murders increased in 2015, but that because 2014 had such low rates. Overall, murders are going down. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/158 "2016-09-28T16:59:38Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Eric Trump says it was “Courage” that kept his dad from bringing up Bill Clinton’s infidelity: > [Eric Trump: It Took “Courage” For My Dad To Not Mention Bill Clinton’s Infidelity](https://www.buzzfeed.com/christophermassie/eric-trump-it-took-courage-for-my-dad-to-not-mention-bill-cl?utm_term=.yi0ELOYr8#.lnk5apZQ2)… > > In summation, the Clintons are even winning the post-debate kiddie table. Also, Eric Trump remains a smarmy little git. That’s the Eric Trump [whose father left when he was seven](http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2068227_2068229_2068248,00.html)? > [@](#): > > For all his success in the boardroom, Donald Trump’s life in the bedroom has been messy at best. The real estate magnate married his first wife, Ivana, in 1977, but things got rocky after Trump’s affair with actress Marla Maples surfaced in New York City tabloids. “You bitch, leave my husband alone!” Ivana (pictured) told Maples on a ski trip in Aspen, Colo. Ivana’s warning fell on deaf ears, and in 1992, Trump left her with a reported $25 million settlement and married his mistress one year later. His marriage to Maples was even shorter-lived, and the couple divorced in 1999. These days, Trump’s married to Slovenian supermodel Melania Knauss. Together in marital bliss since 2005, this relationship’s proving the third time really is a charm — so far anyway. Let the candidates compare their marital histories! (Is Eric hoping to see his old man punished?) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/159 "2016-09-28T16:59:42Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Eric Trump says it was “Courage” that kept his dad from bringing up Bill Clinton’s infidelity: Other virtues he could have referenced that would have kept his dad from bringing up Bill’s infidelity: wisdom, prudence, basic human decency. I suppose Eric was trying to keep it believable. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2016, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034/160 "2016-09-28T17:02:41Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > See this [Washington Post article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-directed-23-million-owed-to-him-to-his-charity-instead/2016/09/26/7a9e9fac-8352-11e6-ac72-a29979381495_story.html) about Trump routing income through his charitable foundation. If the transactions occurred as described, that’s criminal tax fraud. And the statute of limitations won’t help him. I have never loved the IRS as much as I have at this moment!!! All I can really say is that one of the most Honest, Ethical, and Truly Finest people in All of the Federal Government is The Regional Counsel for The State of New York. And I can only hope that Mr Trump will become a much better man for meeting that person. In court. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/somebody-summarize-the-debate-for-me/767034.md?page=9)