# Something for Conservatives **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 15, 2018, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671 "2018-01-15T08:05:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/41 "2018-01-16T00:52:47Z")
Rowe regularly replies to cranks on his Facebook page, and this is just one more. I still like what he does in regards to the Trades through his charity, and his letter to Eagle Scouts is one of my favorites. > **[Mike Rowe’s Completely Transparent, Totally Honest, Eagle Scout...](https://mikerowe.com/about-mike/eagle-scout-letter/)** > > mikerowe.com, Michael Gregory Rowe is an American television host and narrator, actor and former opera singer best known for his work on the Discovery Channel series Dirty Jobs, Deadliest Catch, After the Catch, Somebody's Gotta Do It - Mike Rowe... ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/42 "2018-01-16T01:04:40Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > All I’m seeing is the problem with the right wing media. Take one crank, and suddenly they represent all of the left. > > Sadly, the Daily Caller didn’t even realize that the Democrat Socialist Borg Collective decided three months ago that the SJW in question was no longer in charge of our collective opinions on every matter. Now, it’s Harold “Weedsmoker Snowflake” Cairns of Berkeley, California, who lives near the big trash can in People’s Park and drives the pickup that has all the bumper stickers. I swear to Christ, if I have to listen to one more lecture about composting I’m going to garrote him with his own love beads. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/43 "2018-01-16T03:39:54Z")
I did, in fact post a description of what it was, but I also did not want to spoil it. I had to put a small disclaimer about it angering some folks because I know and knew it would anger some but I had to post it anyway because the way he explores, with contempt, the subject at hand is typically what we conservative types actually consider a great argument. It was the type of argument that pretty much typifies the arguments we get from many on left and how they are properly dealt with. I am quite sure the liberals on this board do exercise better and more substantiated arguments, there is no question of that and I am not questioning that. I apologize for my Pit insulting yesterday, was having a recent meltdown. I have no excuse for that, but we all have opinions, we don’t necessarily have to respect them, but they are _all_ important nonetheless. Mike Rowe’s post and reply, whether it was to a troll or not is what should be expected from all conservatives, myself included, when dealing with the barrage of nonsensical insults we have to deal with because the vast majority of us do not retain some cohesive group-think despite what some may have you believe, and not all liberals do either. I am referencing the extreme types. If you don’t agree, that is fine, it is your right. It is quite pleasant when others share our values though. Thanks for reading it! To the above; I am not sure what you mean by return to my other ‘93’ posts? I do sometimes post and forget to check back, if that is what you mean. Also, **GIGObuster** , I thank you again for your well thought out rebuttal, this is what debate is supposed to be. I do not think he is outright denying science or the scientific method though, more of a “keep your eyes open, you never know” attitude. \*\* Wesley Clark\*\* , Also a very good and very mature, civil response. I thank you and appreciate that. I do however see it as him (Rowe) not denying global warming, but rather, accepting that it exists, as well as the human impact but the human impact may or may not be as large as we think, in fact, it may slightly be impacted/ascertained by erroneous correlations. **Clothahump** No problem. Glad someone else found it enlightening, his view is really thought out and shies away from the typical “bad troll is bad” attitude and gives a great argument. My apologies for the long read here as well as the linked article. I thought the Printer friendly page would be easier for all to read, less advertisement and all. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/44 "2018-01-16T03:42:04Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > Rowe regularly replies to cranks on his Facebook page, and this is just one more. I still like what he does in regards to the Trades through his charity, and his letter to Eagle Scouts is one of my favorites. > > [Mike Rowe’s Completely Transparent, Totally Honest, Eagle Scout Congratulatory Form Letter – Mike Rowe](http://mikerowe.com/about-mike/eagle-scout-letter/) Thanks for sharing this! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/45 "2018-01-16T03:45:19Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I like Mike Rowe. Whatever his politics, he seems like a good guy. > > You, however, are a fucking imbecile. Hey, I have an opinion just as you do. Lay off with the insults, please. By acting/typing that way you are becoming no better than your interpretation of me. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/46 "2018-01-16T03:49:43Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > And the dumb fart puts it in the pit! It’s like the jokes writing themselves. I placed it here, because I had the foresight to know that it would get nasty, because he (Rowe) is conservative and this is a left leaning board, with very few of us conservative types. Easy on the insults, even though it is mildly amusing imaging someone calling another a ‘fart’. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/47 "2018-01-16T03:51:09Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Also, **GIGObuster** , I thank you again for your well thought out rebuttal, this is what debate is supposed to be. I do not think he is outright denying science or the scientific method though, more of a “keep your eyes open, you never know” attitude. Well, that was for starters, I have to let you know that just by plenty of past experience I had before, that many of the recent “heroes” of the conservatives that seem to support them about their climate change denials are not so heroic. There are many examples of right wing sources misunderstanding or just plain twisting around what the scientists were saying. > **[From the Horse’s Mouth. The New Study on Cosmic Rays and Climate.](https://thinc.blog/2011/08/31/from-the-horses-mouth-the-new-study-on-cosmic-rays-and-climate/)** > > Here’s the Nature podcast interview with Jasper Kirkby, author of the new study that has denialists all atwitter (again) over cosmic rays. Briefly, the theory is that cosmic rays hit the atmo… > [@](#): > > Recently, experiments were undertaken by Dr. Kirkby (interviewed above) at the European Atom smasher facility, – CERN – to learn more about the particle interactions that might validate this theory. The publication of his recent paper on the results has been bouncing around in the denialosphere as yet another “final nail in the coffin of man-caused global warming”. > > Dr. Kirkby’s take, as you hear in the interview — not so much. > > From the Editor’s summary in Nature: > Even with the large enhancements in rate caused by ammonia and ions, they conclude that atmospheric concentrations of ammonia and sulphuric acid are insufficient to account for observed boundary layer nucleation. > > There are more questions to answer. > If cosmic rays have an effect on climate, we should expect that, given the unequivocal warming of the last 40 years, there should be a corresponding trend in cosmic rays. And we don’t see one. > > Moreover, solar experts tell us, the sun has been in an extended minimum for several years now. > > Since we are in an extended solar minimum, that recent work suggests may get even deeper and longer, the cosmic ray idea would predict — > > low solar activity –\> > lower solar magnetic fields –\> > more influx of cosmic rays –\> > more ionizing of atmosphere –\> > more cloud nuclei –\> > more clouds –\> > greater reflectivity –\> > lower temps for the last few years, and more cooling to come. > > There’s a problem with this idea. We are not observing such a cooling. Of course in the example of the OP, I think that there is a lot of straw grasping from the likes of The Daily Caller and The Federalist papers. **A nice narrator of science shows is not really a go to guy** for the ones that want to pretend that they know about it, or misunderstand what a popularizer of science is about, and so they mislead a lot of their viewers or readers. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/48 "2018-01-16T04:06:43Z")
And now you know why it is so frustrating **for the political right** , in reality is not only the left but even scientists who are/were conservative who find it really frustrating to deal with the current ignorant GOP crop and media. [https://www.reuters.com/article/idUS334109598520120222](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUS334109598520120222) > [@](#): > > **GOP Not Listening to Its Own Scientists on Climate Change** It is no wonder that sources like The Daily Caller and The Federalist have to reach for the “bottom of the science barrel” and “improve” on what a _narrator_ of a science show is saying. Who, as far as I know, may be conservative but not so much of a climate change denier as the right wing media wants it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/49 "2018-01-16T05:58:26Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I don’t get it. He was _defending_ science and education. He seemed to be very calm and polite. So where’s the part that s supposed to piss us off? ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/50 "2018-01-16T05:59:37Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I like Mike Rowe. Whatever his politics, he seems like a good guy. > > You, however, are a fucking imbecile. And this too. LOL ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/51 "2018-01-16T06:11:39Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > To the above; I am not sure what you mean by return to my other ‘93’ posts? I do sometimes post and forget to check back, if that is what you mean. 93 other _threads_, numbnuts. Cut-and-paste if you have trouble copying from memory next time, okey dokey? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/52 "2018-01-16T06:21:45Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > **Wesley Clark** > Also a very good and very mature, civil response. I thank you and appreciate that. I do however see it as him (Rowe) > not denying global warming, but rather, accepting that it exists, as well as the human impact but the human impact may or may not be as large as we think, in fact, it may slightly be impacted/ascertained by erroneous correlations. > . Thats possible, but to me that is like if a bunch of doctors say you have a serious cancer and you say ‘maybe it won’t be so bad’ and assume that it may just be a benign lump that will only cause mild problems. Climate change could be really bad. Endless trillions in property damage, trillions in lost GDP growth, mass refugee crisis, imbalances in the food chain, etc. Its not something we should just be hoping will only be mild. It may not be that bad, but the world could easily be looking at tens, maybe hundreds of trillions of dollars in property damage and lost GDP growth due to it. The worst case scenario for climate change is bad enough that taking the view that we should assume it may not be so bad is a dangerous risk. That is like if a variety of doctors all say you have a serious form of cancer, but you just want to wait it out. There are times when waiting something out is a good idea, or assuming the worst won’t happen (picking a new restaurant to try for example). But with the worst effects of climate change (combined with all the benefits of switching to renewables) it would be best to assume the worst about climate change and plan accordingly. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/53 "2018-01-16T06:37:58Z")
Absolutely, **Wesley Clark** I am one of the few conservatives that actually agree that it is real and it does exist. One cannot ignore all the evidence. I am in no way refuting that. In fact, what Rowe wrote was not either, but using it as an easily graspable example, I suppose. I am curious, since you are giving really succinct replies, The argument I hear a lot (ad nauseum) is something along the lines of this; “200 some odd years of heavy industry and massive fossil fuel use, out of 4.5 Billion, and it is going to have that much of an effect?” I don’t really agree or disagree with it, it is just one I’ve seen quite a bit. What is your opinion of that argument? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/54 "2018-01-16T07:04:09Z")
Yes, the effect is huge as it dwarfs the one coming from volcanoes as an example, and overall that argument and many others have been debunked [here.](https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php) > **[Do volcanoes emit more CO2 than humans?](https://skepticalscience.com/volcanoes-and-global-warming-intermediate.htm)** > > \Volcanoes emit around 0.3 billion tonnes of CO2 per year. This is about 1% of human CO2 emissions which is around 29 billion tonnes per year.\ > [@](#): > > **Volcanoes emit around 0.3 billion tonnes of CO2 per year. This is about 1% of human CO2 emissions which is around 29 billion tonnes per year.** > **[Are humans too insignificant to affect global climate?](https://skepticalscience.com/Are-humans-too-insignificant-to-affect-global-climate-intermediate.htm)** > > Atmospheric CO2 levels are rising by 15 gigatonnes per year. Humans are emitting 26 gigatonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere. Humans are dramatically altering the composition of our climate. > [@](#): > > Atmospheric CO2 levels are rising by 15 gigatonnes per year. Humans are emitting 26 gigatonnes of CO2 # the atmosphere. Humans are dramatically altering the composition of our climate. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/55 "2018-01-16T07:33:42Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > Hey, I have an opinion just as you do. Lay off with the insults, please. By acting/typing that way you are becoming no better than your interpretation of me. Thanks. YOU knowingly placed a thread in the Pit, then whine about people insulting you? Are you a newer, dumber **Clothahump**? ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/56 "2018-01-16T12:00:51Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > This is the same Mike Rowe from Dirty Jobs? Sad. I used to like that guy. Yeah, my wife almost doesn’t want to fuck him anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/57 "2018-01-16T13:23:41Z")
I had never heard of Mike Rowe before. This statement of his raises red flags: _“Once upon a time, the best minds in science told us the Sun revolved around the Earth. They also told us the Earth was flat, and that a really bad fever could be cured by blood-letting.”_ Wooists commonly say things like this. “Science wuz wrong before, so you must respect my crackpot theories!” The trouble is that these people typically cite beliefs that were debunked (by solid science) a very long time ago. And they utterly fail to provide good evidence to support their nonsense, which typically has been repeatedly debunked by the same kind of good science that took down flat-earth theory. So I’m not encouraged by Rowe proclaiming he’s a “skeptic”, when true skeptics challenge beliefs on the basis of evidence (or lack of it). I don’t care whether he’s an “ultra right wing conservative” or not. He hasn’t enhanced his credibility with that response to his Facebook critic. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/58 "2018-01-16T16:15:39Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > YOU knowingly placed a thread in the Pit, then whine about people insulting you? Are you a newer, dumber **Clothahump**? I’m old and I’m smart. Deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/59 "2018-01-16T16:22:22Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > I’m old and I’m smart. Deal with it. Half right. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/something-for-conservatives/806671/60 "2018-01-16T16:32:59Z")
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