Photos from the room show a small sledgehammer on the floor.
I’m not sure that they didn’t locate the room he was in.
I believe that there was one hotel security guard hurt, shot in the leg. I had assumed that he had gone to the door of the room to complain about the noise, and the gunman shot through the door at him. But I haven’t seen confirmation of that.
I’m not trying to hijack, but I’ll suggest that someone may have seen glass-break detectors at SOME location associated with glass-enclosed elevators. Many older glass-enclosed elevators were required to have sensors on the glass of the elevator car and on the glass in the elevator shaft to shut down the elevator in case of breakage. Modern elevators (with laminated glass or some other glass approved for the purpose) usually do not have these sensors.
I’m just trying to make sense of the OP’s original statement.
At 19 minutes after the beginning of the event, hotel security had located him well enough that he had to shoot a hotel guard through the room door. He saw the guard coming because he was monitoring the hall with webcams he had surreptitiously installed as part of his preparations.
From Las Vegas shooting: Paddock placed cameras in hotel
A broken-glass indication in that particular suite may have been helpful, assuming someone on-scene put it together with the rest of the events happening at the time, but they still figured out where he was pretty quick. And from my understanding, most of the killing was already done. (The comment at T+12 that “[it had] been a while since [they] heard any shots.”)
If you see the police officer footage there are a number of single shots with time gaps. Indicates the shooter was taking aim and shooting deliberately. Then there would be rapid gunfire. Like he dashed to anotther window where the machine guns had been set up. Followed again by single shots. Question is who reloaded the single shot rifles?
“Single shot” rifle? That would be one where each cartridge has to be manually loaded into the chamber. Any semi-automatic, bolt action, lever action or slide action can have its magazine loaded with multiple rounds and fired one at a time. While I haven’t seen any evidence that he was using a single shot rifle, its trivially easy to reload yourself and can be accomplished in a few seconds. No extra people required in either case. No offense intended but do I smell a conspiracy theory here?
Only the conspiracy theory that smells another conspiracy theory, I think.
“Single shot” says to me, “single shot.” Even full-automatic weapons have a single shotsetting you know. For aimed fire, you probably want to use that, in which case (related to the event in question) is a single trigger pull of a semi-automatic weapon, sending a single shot downrange while automatically ejecting, cocking, and loading the weapon for the next.
More like Nansbread1 is from England and knows very close to zero about firearms. (S)He’s probably imagining something close to the process for using a flintlock.
If somebody did want to do mass shooting using a brace of flintlocks, having a bevy of buxom reloaders to keep handing you freshly charged blunderbusses would be bully.
When all of your problems are penises, all tools look like condoms.
When all of your problems are liquified oxygen, all tools look like a Saturn-V rocket.
When all of your problems are dense forest, all tools look like napalm.
Now then. Since retail cost on glass-breaking alarms comes in at less than $ 6.50 apiece, and corporations that own large hotels like the Mandalay Bay do tend to get volume discounts, I suspect that incorporating a glass breaking alarm into the smoke detector mounted to the ceiling in each suite is VERY cheaply accomplished.
Whether all hotels make use of this technology is another thing. I doubt that Mandalay Bay makes this information readily available to the public.
In case, well, you know…some imbalanced fuckwit with dozens of weapons and thousands of rounds wants to break a window and murder people and is shopping for a hotel that’s lacking in glass breaking alarms.
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Another thing that I don’t understand about this thing. I understand that the shooter had nineteen (19) rifles in his room, along with quite a few other devices that could be used in a destructive manner. Well, it seems to me that hauling that many rifles up to a room is not exactly an invisible operation. How in the world did he do this without somebody - staff or otherwise - noticing, and taking some kind of action.
I believe he’d occupying the room for about three days and kept the 'do not disturb" tag on the doorknob. Some break down into suitcases, others can be hidden in garment bags, for instance. Bringing them up one or a few at a time on various days doesn’t sound so difficult.
If it matters Mandalay Bay has 3,300 rooms.
I’m just not sure what problem they would be looking to fix with the sensors. They weren’t planning for the current event certainly. It wouldn’t prevent a suicide. A broken window would be noticed soon enough.
Something would also need to be added that would cause someone cutting the wires to sound the alarm. And protection from one removing the detector and protecting it from sound, vibration, etc.
Another thing that I don’t understand about this thing. I understand that the shooter had nineteen (19) rifles in his room, along with quite a few other devices that could be used in a destructive manner. Well, it seems to me that hauling that many rifles up to a room is not exactly an invisible operation. He would have to get them out of his car, enter and cross the hotel lobby, get in the elevator, and exit finally into his room. Including the ammunition (he had lots) and the tripods, this is a multi-trip operation. How in the world did he do this without somebody - staff or otherwise - noticing, and taking some kind of action?
First, purchasing, installing, wiring, and maintaining ANY alarm or security devices is not trivial. As I understand it, there are quite a few rooms (3000+, I think?) at the MB.
Second, the glass break detectors would not be wired to the smoke detectors, even if the wiring could be easily accomplished. The hotel would want to be able to distinguish between smoke detection and glass breakage. Some addressable FA systems would allow this, but, again, it’s non-trivial.
Third, depending upon the technology used (audio, piezo, vibration, dual-technology, etc.), defeating a glass break detector is rather simple if you are in the “protected” area.
I just don’t believe it to be a very practical solution to the problem(s). But maybe somebody else does. I would invite guests to look specifically for hotels that advertise glass-break detectors in every room above a certain level and see how well that goes.
I can see 20 rifles fitting into 3 or 4 large suitcases. This is more than I usually travel with but I have often seen people with this much luggage checking into hotels. The Vegas hotels are really enormous with people going in and out of their rooms all the time. If you brought 10 or 20 bags over the course of an afternoon I can’t imagine this being noticed unless you dressed in a memorable manor.
MY impression was that the smoke detector went off and if so, I suspect it would pretty easy to pinpoint the room number from that
No problem at all. He was known to Mandalay Bay as a high roller. All he had to do is roll up to valet parking, snag a bellman with a cart, and load 9-10 pieces of luggage onto a cart. Nobody would blink an eye.
Also it’s not illegal to have guns in Vegas so even if people there knew exactly what he was bringing in, why *would *they have done anything?
Pretty much 100% of hotel guests bring in bags of concealed stuff. It’s not suspicious, and indeed they probably have staff members on hand to facilitate it.