# Sometimes it's just better to lose an election

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sometimes-its-just-better-to-lose-an-election/787137>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [May 21, 2017, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sometimes-its-just-better-to-lose-an-election/787137 "2017-05-21T13:12:53Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 8\
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**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sometimes-its-just-better-to-lose-an-election/787137/41 "2017-05-23T16:01:21Z")

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> [@TimeWinder](#):
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> No. Fuck false equivalence and the horse it rode in on.

I’m not calling the parties equivalent. I am saying the Democrats are corrupt.

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**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sometimes-its-just-better-to-lose-an-election/787137/42 "2017-05-23T17:16:24Z")

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> [@TriPolar](#):
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> I’m not calling the parties equivalent. I am saying the Democrats are corrupt.

Oh, gimme a break. If you say:

> [@TriPolar](#):
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> Both parties are corrupted to the core by the lust for power. The only way we win is if all of them lose.

then you’re saying that any differentiation between them is comparatively trivial.

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**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sometimes-its-just-better-to-lose-an-election/787137/43 "2017-05-23T17:35:22Z")

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> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> Oh, gimme a break. If you say:  
> then you’re saying that any differentiation between them is comparatively trivial.

No, that’s just what you are saying because you can’t distinguish gradients between black and white and can’t except that both sides fall below an acceptable line even if one is still much worse than the other. If we grade on a curve we can only expect the standards to continually lower.

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**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sometimes-its-just-better-to-lose-an-election/787137/44 "2017-05-23T18:03:58Z")

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> [@RTFirefly](#):
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> Oh, gimme a break. If you say:  
> then you’re saying that any differentiation between them is comparatively trivial.

Also, I’d probably agree with you most of the time but I’m suffering for a severe optimism shortfall at the moment, which I hope is temporary. Maybe I should stop paying attention to the news.

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**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sometimes-its-just-better-to-lose-an-election/787137/45 "2017-05-23T18:28:53Z")

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> [@Wesley\_Clark](#):
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> I’m past the point of thinking anything bad the GOP does will cost them votes. If they put up a neo nazi who wants to create a violent, fascist state they will still get 45% of the vote minimum. Hoping that the American people are too informed, decent and concerned about western values to support that was proven to be a failed strategy in November of last year.

I have to agree. Given how low things have sunk now, I fully expect a future GOP presidential candidate who:

- Is caught on tape saying that it’s perfectly acceptable to chain a woman up and keep her as a sex slave in your basement. “Everyone I know would love that”.

- Is fond of shouting “Lynch the n…” at his campaign rallies

- Proposes issuing guns to white citizens so they can shoot illegals in the head.

- Made his fortune selling diluted baby formula to third world countries, which resulted in thousands of baby deaths.

- Shot a minority teenager in a mall parking lot for “looking at his car funny”. Was never convicted.

And this hypothetical candidate would get 45% of the vote

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**Author:** ![dba\_Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@dba\_Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dba_Fred)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sometimes-its-just-better-to-lose-an-election/787137/46 "2017-05-24T08:31:34Z")

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**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sometimes-its-just-better-to-lose-an-election/787137/47 "2017-05-24T15:49:39Z")

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> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> I have to agree. Given how low things have sunk now, I fully expect a future GOP presidential candidate who:
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> - Is caught on tape saying that it’s perfectly acceptable to chain a woman up and keep her as a sex slave in your basement. “Everyone I know would love that”.
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> - Is fond of shouting “Lynch the n…” at his campaign rallies
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> - Proposes issuing guns to white citizens so they can shoot illegals in the head.
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> - Made his fortune selling diluted baby formula to third world countries, which resulted in thousands of baby deaths.
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> - Shot a minority teenager in a mall parking lot for “looking at his car funny”. Was never convicted.
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> And this hypothetical candidate would get 45% of the vote

You really believe that? :rolleyes:

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**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2017, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sometimes-its-just-better-to-lose-an-election/787137/48 "2017-05-24T16:33:16Z")

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> [@octopus](#):
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> You really believe that? :rolleyes:

Obviously he doesn’t. If that candidate were a celebrity of the right kind he would get _46.1%_ of the total vote.

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