# Son of the SDMB Musicals Group

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [September 10, 2008, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987 "2008-09-10T20:37:31Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\
**Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/61 "2008-10-02T13:06:51Z")

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> [@NAF1138](#):
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> I’ll do an OP. Give me NY/NY or Seven Brides, whichever you don’t want twickter.

Didn’t see this till this morning – I apologize, **NAF** – I guess it was because it was the last post on the page. (And because it came in the middle of the brawl between **LurkMeister** and **anyrose** 😉 ) I’m delighted to give you _NY/NY_ (and, BTW, I’m willing to bet I’m the only person here who saw it on the big screen on original release), because I’m going to want to gush about the dancing in _7Bf7B_.

_Chicago_ 10/1 OP: LurkMeister  
\*Meet Me in St. Louis \*10/15 OP: lissener  
_Moulin Rouge!_ 11/1 OP: Sampiro  
_New York, New York_ 11/15 OP: NAF1138  
\*Pennies from Heaven \*12/1 OP: lissener  
_Seven Brides for Seven Brothers_ 12/15 OP: twickster  
_Stormy Weather_ 1/1  
_1776_ 1/15 OP: Sampiro

That gives us OPs for everything but _Stormy Weather_ – I’ll PM **ArchiveGuy** and see if he might be available for that, since he picked the damn film in the first place.

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**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\
**Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/62 "2008-10-02T22:42:12Z")

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Sure, I’ll do it 🙂 though I hope I’m forgiven if I wait until the 2nd to actually post. 🆒

Looking forward to all the discussion–a terrific slate (w/a couple of exceptions) and a provocative list all around.

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**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\
**Post date:** [October 2, 2008, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/63 "2008-10-02T23:23:08Z")

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> [@ArchiveGuy](#):
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> Sure, I’ll do it 🙂 though I hope I’m forgiven if I wait until the 2nd to actually post. 🆒

Thanks – you da man.

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> Looking forward to all the discussion–a terrific slate (w/a couple of exceptions) and a provocative list all around.

Just out of curiosity – what do you see as the exceptions? **dreads news that they are the films I added to fill out a light slate because of unavailability of previous choices**

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**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/64 "2008-10-09T17:14:41Z")

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> [@twickster](#):
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> Just out of curiosity – what do you see as the exceptions? **dreads news that they are the films I added to fill out a light slate because of unavailability of previous choices**

I think the Scorsese is not good, but may yield an interesting discussion (hence “provocative”). I think _Moulin Rouge!_ is (despite a few redeeming qualities) essentially terrible–a perfect musical for people who hate the genre–but that conversation will be lively as well.

And I’ll post to the _Chicago_ thread but want to rewatch the film first…

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**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/65 "2008-10-09T18:31:05Z")

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_NYNY_ was on the “original” list that you and **Lamia** and I put together whenever that was – don’t recall now whose pick it was, other than “not mine.”

And I happen to like _Moulin Rouge!_ – and also look forward to a lively discussion on it – it does seem to be rather polarizing.

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**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/66 "2008-10-09T23:18:02Z")

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> [@twickster](#):
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> _NYNY_ was on the “original” list that you and **Lamia** and I put together whenever that was – don’t recall now whose pick it was, other than “not mine.”

That’s funny, it wouldn’t have been my pick either – I’ve never even seen it.

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> \*And I happen to like _Moulin Rouge!_ – and also look forward to a lively discussion on it – it does seem to be rather polarizing.

\*I like _Moulin Rouge!_ a lot as well, although I can definitely see why it wouldn’t be to everyone’s tastes. I have friends who gave up on it within the first few minutes. Which is a shame, because I think the first few minutes aren’t really representative of the rest of the film. When we get to _Moulin Rouge!_ week, I hope everyone will give it a fair chance even if it seems weird or irritating at first. I don’t expect that everyone who sees the whole movie will like it, but some people (myself included) who dislike some of the early scenes but enjoy the movie as a whole.

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**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\
**Post date:** [October 9, 2008, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/67 "2008-10-09T23:25:57Z")

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> [@Lamia](#):
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> That’s funny, it wouldn’t have been my pick either – I’ve never even seen it.
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> \*I like _Moulin Rouge!_ a lot as well, although I can definitely see why it wouldn’t be to everyone’s tastes. I have friends who gave up on it within the first few minutes. Which is a shame, because I think the first few minutes aren’t really representative of the rest of the film. When we get to _Moulin Rouge!_ week, I hope everyone will give it a fair chance even if it seems weird or irritating at first. I don’t expect that everyone who sees the whole movie will like it, but some people (myself included) who dislike some of the early scenes but enjoy the movie as a whole.

I personally can’t wait for Moulin Rouge week. I love Baz Luhrmann, think his wife is one of the most amazing Art Directors I have ever seen, love the visual everything about this movie…but I don’t think I acutally like the movie.

I will need to rewatch to be sure.

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**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\
**Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/68 "2008-10-10T00:21:21Z")

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I’d be lying if I said I look forward to revisiting that film in particular, but I don’t think my discussion points would be as reliable (especially re: close reading) if I was merely going off a 7-year old memory. So like all the others, I’ll find time to rewatch them (though that’s just speaking for myself).

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**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\
**Post date:** [October 10, 2008, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/69 "2008-10-10T00:55:36Z")

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I had seen Moulin Rouge on cable once, and IIRC I wasn’t particularly imprerssed by it. But I’m thinking of adding it to my Netflix queue and giving it another chance before the discussion.

I’m not familiar with NYNY either, but I’m going to be out of town and mostly offline in mid-November, so I probably won’t be around to discuss it anyway.

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**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\
**Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/70 "2008-10-15T23:45:42Z")

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Just swapped a couple of PMs with **lissener** , who’s been ill (and offline) for the last several days – he’ll get to the _Meet Me in St. Louis_ OP ASAP.

I haven’t watched it yet – it’s next in my Netflix queue, and I’ll be returning _12 Monkeys_ tomorrow. 😃

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**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\
**Post date:** [October 16, 2008, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/71 "2008-10-16T03:05:23Z")

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The _Meet Me in St. Louis_ discussion commences [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=488083).

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**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\
**Post date:** [October 16, 2008, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/72 "2008-10-16T06:02:33Z")

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I saw Moulin Rouge twice in the theater and I’ve seen in several times since. I own the movie and both soundtracks and I listen to them fairly regularly since it came out 7 years ago, and I even went to a costume party as a (pretty decent) Harry Zidler, and yet to be honest I _still_ can’t decide whether or not I like it!😛

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**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\
**Post date:** [October 16, 2008, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/73 "2008-10-16T12:34:29Z")

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In two weeks, you’ll be able to add “wrote the OP on it for the musicals group” to your list.

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**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\
**Post date:** [October 17, 2008, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/74 "2008-10-17T01:12:29Z")

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I just picked up _Meet Me In St. Louis_ at the rental place tonight. I’ll get around to it some time this weekend (I’ve never seen this one). I look forward to posting in the thread!

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**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\
**Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/75 "2008-10-30T00:42:41Z")

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Just a reminder that _Moulin Rouge!_ is coming up this weekend, with **Sampiro** as OP.

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**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\
**Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/76 "2008-10-30T02:40:07Z")

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> [@twickster](#):
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> Just a reminder that _Moulin Rouge!_ is coming up this weekend, with **Sampiro** as OP.

As I have to work Saturday, it may be Saturday-een or Sunday morning before it gets writ.

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**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\
**Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/77 "2008-10-30T13:44:42Z")

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> [@Sampiro](#):
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> As I have to work Saturday, it may be Saturday-een or Sunday morning before it gets writ.

NP – that’s why I said “this weekend.” It’s not like any of us has a bus to catch.

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**Author:** ![Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a88e4f/32.png) [@Eleanor\_of\_Aquitaine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine)\
**Post date:** [October 30, 2008, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/78 "2008-10-30T14:02:23Z")

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Dammit, I thought I had until mid-week. I already have my Netflix allotment for the weekend. I’ll see if my neighbor with the enormous DVD collection has a copy I can borrow.

My husband willingly watched \*Chicago \*and _Meet Me in St. Louis_ with me, but I don’t think he’ll sit through _Moulin Rouge!_ again. 🙂

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**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\
**Post date:** [November 1, 2008, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/79 "2008-11-01T21:30:27Z")

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Not sure if any of you frequent the Game Room, but I wrote a (Family) Feud on the theme of movie musical: look [yonder.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=10389181#post10389181)

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**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\
**Post date:** [November 2, 2008, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/80 "2008-11-02T19:10:51Z")

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Inspired by the discussion of the lack of dance in _Meet Me in St. Louis_, it occurred to me that it might be interesting to do a set on dance-heavey films – perhaps broken down by choreographer. Here are a few names, with one or more names for each:

Busby Berkeley:\* Footlight Parade, 42nd Street, Million Dollar Mermaid\*  
Bob Fosse: _All That Jazz, Cabaret_  
Gene Kelly: _Anchors Aweigh, Brigadoon, Singin’ in the Rain_  
Michael Kidd: _The Band Wagon, Guys and Dolls_  
Kenny Ortega: _Dirty Dancing, Newsies, High School Musical_  
Hermes Pan: \*Pal Joey, Silk Stockings, Top Hat \*  
Jermome Robbins: _West Side Story_  
Twyla Tharp: _Hair_

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