# Son of the SDMB Musicals Group **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 10, 2008, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987 "2008-09-10T20:37:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2009, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/101 "2009-01-16T18:42:08Z")
Well, good, it sounds as though there’s some interest in continuing the group – now we just need to drum up some interest in finishing this set of films. **Archive Guy** is still on deck for writing an OP on _Stormy Weather._ I see no reason why **Sampiro** can’t jump the queue and do _1776_ whenever he’s ready, though. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2009, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/102 "2009-01-20T22:40:45Z")
Have you missed me good m’sieus? Did you think that I had left you for good? Why so silent good m’sieus I have written you an opera! Here I bring the finished score… DON JUAN TRIUMPHANT… II: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO (ON A STICK) =--------=----------=--------------========----=-= Apologies for the delayed response, I’ve been away and indigitent for the past few days (that’s “without digital access”), but will have a 1776 thread up this week. Till then till then I am as I ever was and ever shall be Yours Yours Yours Yours Saltpeter Sampiro ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/103 "2009-01-21T14:30:05Z")
Pins. ---
**Author:** ![Kizarvexius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/da6949/32.png) [@Kizarvexius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kizarvexius)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/104 "2009-01-21T18:12:55Z")
“-Bustibility! -bustibility! combustibili-” “QUIET!!” ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/105 "2009-01-22T00:45:54Z")
You’re obnoxious and disliked. Did you know that? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/106 "2009-01-22T05:23:46Z")
> [@anyrose](#): > > You’re obnoxious and disliked. Did you know that? I hadn’t heard. ---
**Author:** ![Kizarvexius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/da6949/32.png) [@Kizarvexius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kizarvexius)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2009, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/107 "2009-01-22T15:30:47Z")
My oft-repeated-but-it’s-true-as-Og-is-my-witness story. My wife laughed so hard during her first viewing of _1776_ (particularly “Dear Mr. Adams”) that she went into labor five weeks early. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/108 "2009-01-26T06:23:39Z")
[Final-Lee: the thread is up.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=503579) ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/109 "2009-01-26T17:08:08Z")
With **Sampiro** ’s incredibly detailed and loving OP(s) on _1776_, we’ve come to the last film in the current list. (Having skipped the penultimate film, _Stormy Weather_. I’d offer to write an OP, but I watched it over a month ago – should we make an effort to double back or what?) There seems to be willingness, if not rabid enthusiasm, for continuing with another set of films, with everyone who’s expressed an opinion voting for #1 of these: I. Politics of Transformation (male protagonists forced to take stock in their lives and the changes in themselves they’ve witnessed): \*All That Jazz Cabaret Cabin in the Sky Guys and Dolls Hedwig and the Angry Inch It’s Always Fair Weather The Music Man The Pirate Shall We Dance? \*(1995 Japanese original, not the Richard Gere-JLo remake) II. The Vagaries of Love: \*Bride and Prejudice Bye Bye Birdie Oklahoma! Shall We Dance \*(Astaire-Rogers) _The Umbrellas of Cherbourg_ \*\*Note: \*\*This list is obviously shorter than the other two – if you’d like to nominate additional films for it, please do! III. That’s Dancing! Busby Berkeley:\* Footlight Parade, 42nd Street, Million Dollar Mermaid\* Bob Fosse: _All That Jazz, Cabaret_ Gene Kelly: _Anchors Aweigh, Brigadoon, Singin’ in the Rain_ Michael Kidd: _The Band Wagon, Guys and Dolls_ Kenny Ortega: _Dirty Dancing, Newsies, High School Musical_ Hermes Pan: \*Pal Joey, Silk Stockings, Top Hat \* Jerome Robbins: _West Side Story_ Twyla Tharp: _Hair, White Nights_ (Note, more than one film mentioned for everyone but Jerome Robbins – this is to give you an idea of who did what, for those of you for whom “choreographer” isn’t a fundamental category. We’d pick one film each.) Shall I put together a schedule for List #1? (I’m thinking chronological order might be interesting.) And if so, will we be able to get some volunteers for writing OPs? I think it should be clear that an OP can be anything you want it to be – some people have done a slew of extra research, and some people haven’t – either way is fine, it’s just to set up a topic or two for discussion, so the thread can be something more than “I liked it,” “Yup, me too,” “Nah, I didn’t.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/110 "2009-01-26T17:12:04Z")
I will do another OP (and find the thread on 1776 which I haven’t seen yet). This time I should probably take a movie I already know and love rather than grab something I don’t know at all. Give me one of these Cabaret All That Jazz Guys and Dolls Hedwig and the Angry Inch Shall We Dance? I will even write two if you seem to need OPs. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/111 "2009-01-26T17:43:28Z")
NAF, that would be great, thanks. Let’s see how many volunteers we get. Putting the films in chronological order, we end up like this. 2/15: Cabin in the Sky (1943) 3/1: The Pirate (1948) 3/15: It’s Always Fair Weather (1955) 4/1: Guys and Dolls (1955) 4/15: The Music Man (1962) 5/1: Cabaret (1972) 5/15: All That Jazz (1979) 6/1: Shall We Dance? (1995 Japanese original) 6/15: Hedwig and the Angry Inch (2001) (I put the two 1955s in that order so we can compare two Gene Kelly films (_Pirate_ and _Fair Weather_) directly, and then two movies about con men (_Guys and Dolls, Music Man_). Whaddya think? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/112 "2009-01-26T17:44:55Z")
I like it and I like how you did the 1955 films too. ---
**Author:** ![Eureka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Eureka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eureka)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/113 "2009-01-26T18:00:45Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > With **Sampiro** ’s incredibly detailed and loving OP(s) on _1776_, we’ve come to the last film in the current list. (Having skipped the penultimate film, _Stormy Weather_. I’d offer to write an OP, but I watched it over a month ago – should we make an effort to double back or what?) I just watched _Stormy Weather_ this past weekend, and would be willing to write an OP. It wouldn’t be as long and involved as **Sampiro’s** but as long as I went to the effort to acquire and watch it, I’d be interested in discussing it a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Eureka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Eureka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eureka)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/114 "2009-01-26T18:04:06Z")
I suppose I could be persuaded to write an OP for one of the ones on the new list, as well–preference going to those I’ve already seen which means Guys and Dolls, The Music Man, Caberet, All That Jazz or Shall We Dance. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/115 "2009-01-26T18:09:42Z")
> [@Eureka](#): > > I just watched _Stormy Weather_ this past weekend, and would be willing to write an OP. It wouldn’t be as long and involved as **Sampiro’s** but as long as I went to the effort to acquire and watch it, I’d be interested in discussing it a bit. That would be outstanding! Many thanks – when you’ve got a minute, I’d love to hear someone else’s thoughts on it. I was just reluctant to do it myself since, as I said, I watched it a month ago (and my memory isn’t such that that’s a good place to be starting a discussion from). And great, I’ll give you one of the new films also – I’ll wait and see who else volunteers before I start assigning, since both you and **NAF** seem flexible as to which ones you want. (I’ve seen all of them except _Cabin_, personally, so will undoubtedly be filling in for the films no one else wants.) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/116 "2009-01-26T18:26:40Z")
You know, I would also be happy to take either of the Gene Kelly flix since I live Kelly but haven’t seen either of those. If you want to give me a second OP give me one of those. (Again, assuming you will need more than one OP.) ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/117 "2009-01-26T18:48:17Z")
I’m going to snag _Fair Weather_ for myself because I’m in the middle of a massive Michael Kidd obsession at the moment (including watching _Lil Abner_ yesterday – yikes, there’s a movie that hasn’t stood the test of time). So Ill give you _The Pirate_, **NAF**. For the others – since you and **Eureka** are the first volunteers, I’ll be happy to give you the movies you really want, if you tell me which those are. 2/15: _Cabin in the Sky_ (1943) 3/1: _The Pirate_ (1948) – NAF1138 3/15: _It’s Always Fair Weather_ (1955) – twickster 4/1: _Guys and Dolls_ (1955) 4/15: _The Music Man_ (1962) 5/1: _Cabaret_ (1972) 5/15: _All That Jazz_ (1979) 6/1: _Shall We Dance?_ (1995 Japanese original) 6/15: _Hedwig and the Angry Inch_ (2001) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/118 "2009-01-26T19:21:52Z")
Well, it would be hard to chose between Cabaret, All that Jazz, and Hedwig. I know Cabaret best (I have worked on a couple of stage productions and studied it in school) and I probably like Hedwig the best, and All that Jazz is the one that if I were to sit down today I would watch again first. I am perfectly happy with any of those. If anyone else particularly wants one of them I will take what is left, but give me one of those three. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/119 "2009-01-26T19:43:49Z")
Or we could do an online musical that’s topical: a musical and to my knowledge the first movie, featuring a black president- sorta kinda- and a 6 year old Sammy Davis Jr., [Rufus Jones for President](http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqgez_rufus-jones-for-president_music). It features some real talent and is at the same time quite possibly the most politically incorrect talkie ever made. It’s filled with “damn… just… damn!” moments that make you wonder how much Ethel Waters and other black cast members needed work. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2009, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987/120 "2009-01-27T14:38:56Z")
**Eureka** , god bless her, has started a discussion on _[Stormy Weather](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=503725)_. And I’m still looking for OP volunteers for the next group of films – **lissener, Sampiro, anyrose, LurkMeister** , Bueller, anyone? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/son-of-the-sdmb-musicals-group/462987.md?page=7)