# Song Black Betty - whats it saying? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 26, 2012, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444 "2012-07-26T13:18:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/1 "2012-07-26T13:18:22Z")
One of my favorite hard rock songs. By Ram Jam. _Black Betty_ also by Lead Belly. Whats it about? Is it mostly celebrating mind blowing sex with a Black lady? They got rhythm and all. This song is from the late 70’s and those stereotypes were still around. [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/R044sleOW6I/hqdefault.jpg "Ram Jam - Black Betty 1977") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R044sleOW6I) he talking great sex here? [http://lyrics.wikia.com/Lead\_Belly:Black\_Betty](http://lyrics.wikia.com/Lead_Belly:Black_Betty) She’s so rock steady (bam-ba-lam) And she’s always ready (bam-ba-lam) Whoa, black betty (bam-ba-lam) Whoa, black betty (bam-ba-lam) Whoa, black betty (bam-ba-lam) She’s from birmingham (bam-ba-lam) Way down in alabam’ (bam-ba-lam) Well, she’s shakin’ that thing (bam-ba-lam) Boy, she makes me sing (bam-ba-lam) ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/2 "2012-07-26T13:26:16Z")
I could never figure out: > [@](#): > > Black betty had a child (bam-ba-lam) > The damn thing gone wild (bam-ba-lam) > She said, “i’m worryin’ outta mind” (bam-ba-lam) > The damn thing gone blind (bam-ba-lam) Why? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/3 "2012-07-26T13:28:50Z")
Kids been masturbating? 😉 \ another old stereotype about sex. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/4 "2012-07-26T13:32:15Z")
In today’s society, does this song have some racial undertones? I ask, because a few years ago my daughter’s dance studio performed a number to this song, and it kinda made me cringe a bit. ---
**Author:** ![BMax](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bmax/32/4267_2.png) [@BMax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMax)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/5 "2012-07-26T13:33:43Z")
> **[Black Betty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Betty)** > > "Black Betty" (Roud 11668) is a 20th-century African-American work song often credited to Huddie "Lead Belly" Ledbetter as the author, though the earliest recordings are not by him. Some sources say it is one of Lead Belly's many adaptations of earlier folk material. > There are numerous recorded versions, including a cappella and folk. The song was eventually, with modified lyrics, remade as a rock song by the American band Ram Jam in 1977. Subsequent recordings, including hits by Tom Jones and... I knew the Ram Jam song was based on an older blues recording, but Wikipedia says it goes back even farther than that, to a musket, a whiskey bottle, a prison transfer wagon, and a whip. > [@](#): > > The earliest meaning of “Black Betty” in the United States (from at least 1827) was a liquor bottle.[3][4] In January 1736, Benjamin Franklin published The Drinker’s Dictionary in the Pennsylvania Gazette offering 228 round-about phrases for being drunk. One of those phrases is “He’s kiss’d black Betty.”[5][6] ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/6 "2012-07-26T13:35:44Z")
I assumed, given the earlier blues roots of the song, that it was originally a chant - there might be a standard set of verses, but a chanter/singer could make up verses along the way. And Leadbelly’s or anyone else’s early recorded version was just the way they learned the song. Stagger Lee/Stag O’ Lee and other songs are like this - weird variations with plot twists half-referenced, etc… The rock version just took what verses they heard in earlier versions… Just thinking out loud…although a check on [wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Betty)suggests that I am right about it being a work song, but originally about a flintlock musket. > [@](#): > > The origin and meaning of the lyrics are subject to debate. Historically the “Black Betty” of the title may refer to the nickname given to a number of objects: a musket, a bottle of whisky, a whip, or a penitentiary transfer wagon, as referenced in the following paragraphs: > > Some sources claim the song is derived from an 18th century marching cadence about a flint-lock musket with a black painted stock; the “bam-ba-lam” lyric referring to the sound of the gunfire. Soldiers in the field were said to be “hugging Black Betty”. In this interpretation, the musket was superseded by its “child”, a musket with an unpainted walnut stock known as a “Brown Bess”. ETA: Simul-post! Beaten by 2 minutes!! ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/7 "2012-07-26T14:40:19Z")
To me most all the lyrics correspond with it being a woman. Guns and liquor don’t “shake that thing.” I’m not sure about the blind part though, it could be literal or just mean the child is out of control and can’t see what they’re doing wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Soylent\_Juicy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/8 "2012-07-26T14:55:49Z")
…aaaand now it’s stuck in my head. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/9 "2012-07-26T14:59:45Z")
Nothing to add to the interpretation, but wouldja believe that guitarist Bill Bartlett, the leader of Ram Jam, was also the leader of the Lemon Pipers? Yes, the Sixties psychedelic bubblegum group that played “Green Tambourine.” ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/10 "2012-07-26T15:09:04Z")
Tom Jones singing Black Betty. No question what he’s talking about. Black Betty had a child Swears its mine She must be out of her mind he’s got several alternate lyrics [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ckH2fjLeY9A/hqdefault.jpg "Tom Jones- Black Betty") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckH2fjLeY9A) ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/11 "2012-07-26T16:09:15Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Nothing to add to the interpretation, but wouldja believe that guitarist Bill Bartlett, the leader of Ram Jam, was also the leader of the Lemon Pipers? Yes, the Sixties psychedelic bubblegum group that played “Green Tambourine.” The Lemon Pipers did have a hard rock side. Although most of their recorded output was in the same vein as “Green Tambourine” (which they only recorded under duress), they managed to slip a few heavy rock songs with growling vocals on their albums. Once their record contract was up, they reportedly reverted to a Steppenwolf-like sound. They even played at the Fillmore on a bill with Traffic. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/12 "2012-07-26T16:17:55Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > The Lemon Pipers did have a hard rock side. Although most of their recorded output was in the same vein as “Green Tambourine” (which they only recorded under duress), they managed to slip a few heavy rock songs with growling vocals on their albums. Once their record contract was up, they reportedly reverted to a Steppenwolf-like sound. They even played at the Fillmore on a bill with Traffic. No end to what you can learn at the SDMB! ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/13 "2012-07-26T17:14:05Z")
[My favorite cover of Black Betty](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x1WL7N0lZo). ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/14 "2012-07-26T17:54:04Z")
Bam-ba-lam! That’s what it’s saying, what more do you need?! **BAM-BA-LAM!** ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/15 "2012-07-27T12:59:34Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > I could never figure out: > > > [@](#): > > > > Black betty had a child (bam-ba-lam) > > The damn thing gone wild (bam-ba-lam) > > **She said, “i’m worryin’ outta mind”** (bam-ba-lam) > > The damn thing gone blind (bam-ba-lam) From the “lyrics I’ve been mishearing my whole life” file, I thought she was saying “It weren’t none o’ mine,” as if she’s disowning her child because the damn thing gone wild. Now I see she’s an appropriately concerned parent. \ Well, that’s very different. Never mind. \ ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/16 "2012-07-27T13:02:11Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > From the “lyrics I’ve been mishearing my whole life” file, I thought she was saying “It weren’t none o’ mine,” as if she’s disowning her child because the damn thing gone wild. Now I see she’s an appropriately concerned parent. > > \ Well, that’s very different. Never mind. \ That’s actually exactly how I heard it, and was surprised when I read these lyrics after following the link from this thread… ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/17 "2012-07-27T13:15:19Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > That’s actually exactly how I heard it, and was surprised when I read these lyrics after following the link from this thread… Of course, an error on a lyrics website is not exactly unprecedented. I’m going to give it a listen as soon as I get a chance and see what I can make out. ---
**Author:** ![Beware\_of\_Doug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Beware\_of\_Doug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beware_of_Doug)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/18 "2012-07-27T13:20:47Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > Nothing to add to the interpretation, but wouldja believe that guitarist Bill Bartlett, the leader of Ram Jam, was also the leader of the Lemon Pipers? Yes, the Sixties psychedelic bubblegum group that played “Green Tambourine.” \*Listen while I playplayplayplayplay - ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/19 "2012-07-27T13:32:21Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > \*Listen while I playplayplayplayplay > > - The follow-up [“Jelly Jungle”](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOVn6vR_p4c) is one of my favorite examples of a band (or in this case, a producer) trying to repeat a hit. It’s all there: the sitar, the strings, the funny percussion effects, and the chorus that goes: _In the Jelly Jungle of orange marmaladeladeladeladelade_ ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2012, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444/20 "2012-07-27T13:57:05Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Of course, an error on a lyrics website is not exactly unprecedented. I’m going to give it a listen as soon as I get a chance and see what I can make out. The “weren’t none o’ mine”/“worryin’ outta mind” part hits me ear roughly as “wharnoddamahn” – quite inconclusive. One could easily hear either phrase in there. But what precedes that is far more likely “I’m” than “it.” There’s clearly an _m_ sound there. I think I have to concede that the site is correct in this case. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-black-betty-whats-it-saying/629444.md?page=2)