# Song of Fire and Ice series **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 7, 2004, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-of-fire-and-ice-series/223317 "2004-01-07T23:39:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Palo\_Verde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/65b543/32.png) [@Palo\_Verde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palo_Verde)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-of-fire-and-ice-series/223317/1 "2004-01-07T23:39:12Z")
I have recently gotten into this series. I’m only halfway through the 2nd book. They are fascinating and well written. Sometimes it’s hard to keep track of all the characters though. Does the author keep up the quality through books 2 and 3? When is 4 expected to come out? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Death](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ecccb3/32.png) [@Evil\_Death](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Death)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2004, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-of-fire-and-ice-series/223317/2 "2004-01-07T23:44:35Z")
In answer to your questions: yes, and soon. Book 4 keeps getting pushed back; current best guess is April. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2004, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-of-fire-and-ice-series/223317/3 "2004-01-08T01:28:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Sometimes it’s hard to keep track of all the characters though. It gets easier. Hint: don’t get attached to anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Sketch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Sketch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sketch)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2004, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-of-fire-and-ice-series/223317/4 "2004-01-08T04:22:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DrFidelius \* > \*\*It gets easier. Hint: don’t get attached to anyone. \*\* Yeah but pay attention to the past events and charaters, I glossed over them the first time and this makes it really confusing afterward. I’m actually just rereading this series a second time and there is a huge amount of stuff I missed the first time. Spoiler for Third Book Was anyone else really surprised that Jorah Mormont betrayed Daenerys in the third book, because I was and rereading the series it’s mentioned practically every second page! Anyway, I think the best book is the third one, with the worst being the second, so it’s going to get better. {spoiler tag fixed. – Uke} ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2004, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-of-fire-and-ice-series/223317/5 "2004-01-08T08:33:43Z")
BTW, if you haven’t heard yet, George RR Martin has _finally_ released a sample chapter from book 4 on his website. Good stuff. I think it’s a fantastic series all the way through, and I’m just grumpy that he’s taken so long to write book 4. There is still no official release date, and I personally would ignore any dates you may see bandied about. [Amazon.com](http://Amazon.com), in particular, has been putting up bogus release dates and taking preorders for well over a year now. ---
**Author:** ![Adjustable\_Beavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Adjustable\_Beavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Adjustable_Beavis)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2004, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-of-fire-and-ice-series/223317/6 "2004-01-08T12:39:16Z")
Yup, this is a great series and one of my favorites. I can’t wait for the 4th book. Probably going to be one of the few I actually buy in hardcover instead of waiting for the paperback. ---
**Author:** ![Rashak\_Mani](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ea666f/32.png) [@Rashak\_Mani](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rashak_Mani)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2004, 12:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-of-fire-and-ice-series/223317/7 "2004-01-08T12:51:16Z")
GREAT SERIES ! I read the 2nd book a year and a half ago… started reading the 3rd book recently and I remembered the characters more easily. Every major character is COOL COOL COOL ! Just love that Onion Knight… and those Frogeaters. I cannot recommend these books enough… adult fantasy. ---
**Author:** ![dantheman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dantheman/32/9421_2.png) [@dantheman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dantheman)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2004, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-of-fire-and-ice-series/223317/8 "2004-01-08T12:55:19Z")
Just fixing the spoiler tag, for my own ease of mine… 😉 > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sketch \* > \*\*Spoiler for Third Book > > Was anyone else really surprised that Jorah Mormont betrayed Daenerys in the third book, because I was and rereading the series it’s mentioned practically every second page! > > \*\* Great series, btw. And remember: _Winter is coming_. ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2004, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/song-of-fire-and-ice-series/223317/9 "2004-01-08T14:17:27Z")
It’s a little…explicit…but good. Trying to get my grubby hands on the third book…all the libraries have six gazillion holds.