# SonOfArizona is an idiot (as are all people who smoke their 1st cig) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 15, 2003, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645 "2003-10-15T20:41:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Swoop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b77776/32.png) [@Swoop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swoop)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2003, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/101 "2003-10-17T08:12:18Z")
From [here](http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?click_id=125&art_id=qw1066304702165B262&set_id=1): > [@](#): > > The department of health has released details of a bill that seeks to dramatically increase fines under the anti-smoking legislation. > > The fine for any person who fails to control smoking on their premises is to go up from R200 to R20 000 for a first offence and R100 000 for a second. :dubious: R20000 would currently convert to almost $3000 ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2003, 9:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/102 "2003-10-17T09:05:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Matchka \* > \*\*Let’s be perfectly clear about this. They’re INTERNAL combustion engines, but they do their thing outside in the open air with a catastrouphic converter. \*\* Ok. Whatever. I’ll sit in a garage with 30 smokers and you sit in your garage with one car running, then after 10 hours we’ll continue this conversation. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2003, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/103 "2003-10-17T09:56:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zenster \* > \*\*Any questions? \*\* Do you have a fucking point? ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2003, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/104 "2003-10-17T20:01:14Z")
This is a perfect example of the lengths people will go to and the idiotic arguments they will dream up in order to feel morally superior to someone. Sad, really. ---
**Author:** ![Gundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Gundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gundy)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2003, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/105 "2003-10-17T20:48:33Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lezlers \* > \*\*This is a perfect example of the lengths people will go to and the idiotic arguments they will dream up in order to feel morally superior to someone. > > Sad, really. \*\* The whole Pit is full of sanctimonious, smug little shits trying to feel smarter than everyone else. Some of the assholes in this thread make me want to vomit, and I don’t even smoke. ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/106 "2003-10-18T00:31:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gundy \* > \*\*The whole Pit is full of sanctimonious, smug little shits trying to feel smarter than everyone else. Some of the assholes in this thread make me want to vomit, and I don’t even smoke. \*\* Yet you couldn’t help but open this thread to see what else has been said… …heh heh…caught you! By the way, is it lonely sitting in Wrigley Field today?😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Gundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gundy)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/107 "2003-10-18T02:15:55Z")
Caught me in what, exactly? I read a lot of threads, knucklehead. Keep trying, though. And it’s been pretty crowded at Wrigley, actually. The Angry Mob uses the cheap seats as a rallying point. ---
**Author:** ![Kyyrewyyoae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Kyyrewyyoae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyyrewyyoae)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/108 "2003-10-18T08:27:01Z")
I have a simple solution - switch to cigars. They last longer and taste better anyway. And I’ve had 1 or 2 a month for the last 4 or 5 years, with no cravings or addiction or anything of the kind. I’m sure it could happen if you smoked enough of em, but everything in moderation. Anyway, he can do what he wants, smoking is legal, etc etc. Anti-smoking Nazis suck. ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/109 "2003-10-18T13:30:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gundy \* > \*\*Caught me in what, exactly? I read a lot of threads, knucklehead. Keep trying, though. > \*\* I just caught you in a bit of sanctimonious double speak… …Sniffing dog poop makes me nauseous…so I don’t… …you read The Pit because you like it, not because it makes you nauseous… ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/110 "2003-10-18T17:28:10Z")
Well, actually, the sanctimonious pricks aren’t in _every_ thread, so that theory doesn’t really apply. True, they seem to be coming out of the woodwork in droves lately, but it’s still quite possible to find a thread or two where everyone, amazingly, has a little perspective. Also, there are times when rightious indignation _is_ warranted. Observe the religious whackjob threads, threads about people kicking puppies, ect. Thing is, not _everything_ deserves to be the recipient of such indignation. What does? Well, that’s all relative. But that doesn’t mean that just because someone reads the forum, that automatically makes them a sanctimonious prick. I’d think you’d win the “broad brush generalizaton” award of the year with that one. I think that’s what **Gundy** was getting at. **Gundy** , feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/111 "2003-10-18T17:33:27Z")
**Gundy** can’t respond because it will prove he even comes back to petty, silly threads like this, when he claims the very thing makes him nauseous… ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/112 "2003-10-18T21:58:12Z")
Way to play fair, **newscrasher**. ---
**Author:** ![Gundy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Gundy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gundy)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2003, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/113 "2003-10-18T22:20:59Z")
Newcrasher, you’re a crackhead. Lezlers had it correct (thanks, by the way). And, I specifically said SOME OF THE ASSHOLES IN THIS THREAD make me sick. Namely, an asshole like you. And finally, I’m a she. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2003, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/114 "2003-10-19T07:06:47Z")
I smoke. I wish I could have never smoked that first pack seventeen years ago. And now some words of wisdom: > [@](#): > > “You never thought you’d get addicted, > Just be cooler in an obvious way. > I could say, shouldn’t you have got > A couple peircings and decided > Maybe that you were gay.” > > The Dandy Warhols-- “Not if You Were the Last Junkie on Earth” ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2003, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/115 "2003-10-19T13:03:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Gundy \* > \*\* > > And finally, I’m a she. \*\* Ah- that explains it… ---
**Author:** ![Matchka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Matchka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Matchka)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2003, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/116 "2003-10-19T15:03:13Z")
G’Night everybody!!! ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2003, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/117 "2003-10-19T16:44:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by newcrasher \* > \*\*Ah- that explains it… \*\* Oh, for gods sake. What, you have something against women now? You’re an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2003, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/118 "2003-10-19T20:08:02Z")
Actually I love my women, and sometimes they love me… This is The Pit and I am just yankin’ yer chain. Don’t take it personally… ---
**Author:** ![lezlers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/258eb7/32.png) [@lezlers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lezlers)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2003, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/119 "2003-10-19T20:35:26Z")
Actually, there’s a more specific term for “just yankin’ yer chain” and it has to do with little creatures that live under bridges. You’ve been here since 2000, you should really know better. ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2003, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sonofarizona-is-an-idiot-as-are-all-people-who-smoke-their-1st-cig/207645/120 "2003-10-20T20:41:45Z")
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