# Sons of Anarchy 9/11 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 10, 2012, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-9-11/634311 "2012-09-10T18:27:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-9-11/634311/141 "2012-12-05T15:42:52Z")
Just saw the music guide online - Katey Sagal and the Forest Rangers sang _To Sir With Love_. Listening to it again, you can hear it’s her voice. I thought it was a beautifully done cover when I first heard it. I have even more respect for Sagal now. [Link to page.](http://www.fxnetworks.com/soa/episodes/) ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2012, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-9-11/634311/142 "2012-12-05T15:59:40Z")
I’m none too thrilled with the finale. I thought it left way too much undecided. My thoughts: 1. Gemma overhearing Jax and Jimmy Smits. She was afraid they’d leave so she ratted on Tara? So now Tara’s in jail and Jax is going to kill Gemma when he finds out, right? Now that Tara’s been arrested, that job in Oregon is gone (I would think) so when / if Tara gets out, she’s going to tell Jax about Gemma. It seems like Gemma could’ve found a much better way to keep her grandsons around. 2. Otto biting his tongue off. Seriously, what was the point?? He can’t talk now…but he sure as shit can WRITE!! I hate what they did here, the storyline is so bogus. He could just write up a confession and sign it, which it what you usually see criminals so when they confess anyway. 3. When Gemma lied to the cops about Clay’s whereabouts, he didn’t say a word. No denial, nothing. What about Juice? He was right there, and Clay didn’t ask him to vouch for him? That makes zero sense to me. 4. The very end when Gemma puts her hand on Jax. Totally hokey. It was just like last years season finale when Tara did the same thing, and then they flashed back to the picture of John Teller with Gemma…so what now…Gemma’s supposed to be Jax’s old lady? I know they weren’t implying that but I think it could’ve been done so much better. I’m really starting to believe this show has jumped the shark, only they used a motorcycle instead of water skis. ---
**Author:** ![MeanJoe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanjoe/32/5693_2.png) [@MeanJoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanJoe)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-9-11/634311/143 "2012-12-05T17:02:11Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > I’m none too thrilled with the finale. I thought it left way too much undecided. My thoughts: > > 1. Gemma overhearing Jax and Jimmy Smits. She was afraid they’d leave so she ratted on Tara? So now Tara’s in jail and Jax is going to kill Gemma when he finds out, right? Now that Tara’s been arrested, that job in Oregon is gone (I would think) so when / if Tara gets out, she’s going to tell Jax about Gemma. It seems like Gemma could’ve found a much better way to keep her grandsons around. > > 2. Otto biting his tongue off. Seriously, what was the point?? He can’t talk now…but he sure as shit can WRITE!! I hate what they did here, the storyline is so bogus. He could just write up a confession and sign it, which it what you usually see criminals so when they confess anyway. > > 3. When Gemma lied to the cops about Clay’s whereabouts, he didn’t say a word. No denial, nothing. What about Juice? He was right there, and Clay didn’t ask him to vouch for him? That makes zero sense to me. > > 4. The very end when Gemma puts her hand on Jax. Totally hokey. It was just like last years season finale when Tara did the same thing, and then they flashed back to the picture of John Teller with Gemma…so what now…Gemma’s supposed to be Jax’s old lady? I know they weren’t implying that but I think it could’ve been done so much better. > > I’m really starting to believe this show has jumped the shark, only they used a motorcycle instead of water skis. [ol] [li]Tara can tell Jax at any point, there is no need to wait until she gets out. I’m not 100% sold that Gemma is the one behind this. I suspect this is the writers setting us up.[/li][li]I read that as a “I’m far more bad-ass and harder than you” shot at the former U.S. Marshal. [/li][li]Clay didn’t say anything because in that moment he realized he had been completely and totally outplayed. He realized even his wife was in on the payback he was due for all his bad deeds.[/li][li]I think that imagery was very intentional. Gemma/Teller, last season with Jax and Tara, and now Jax and Gemma. History repeats itself, you never leave the life/club, the futility of trying to escape.[/li][/ol] ---
**Author:** ![azraiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@azraiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/azraiel)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2012, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-9-11/634311/144 "2012-12-05T19:53:41Z")
> [@MeanJoe](#): > > [4]I think that imagery was very intentional. Gemma/Teller, last season with Jax and Tara, and now Jax and Gemma. History repeats itself, you never leave the life/club, the futility of trying to escape. Even more–the last image was of Jax, Gemma, and Abel. Gemma was resting a hand on both Jax and Abel. Couple that with Tara’s comment about the boys being doomed to repeat Jax and Tara’s mistakes if they stay in Charming, and you have a foreboding of the future. ---
**Author:** ![snailboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/97f17d/32.png) [@snailboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snailboy)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-9-11/634311/145 "2012-12-06T10:14:59Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > 1. Otto biting his tongue off. Seriously, what was the point?? He can’t talk now…but he sure as shit can WRITE!! I hate what they did here, the storyline is so bogus. He could just write up a confession and sign it, which it what you usually see criminals so when they confess anyway. Otto is effectively blind, so he’d have trouble writing as well. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-9-11/634311/146 "2012-12-06T15:43:49Z")
> [@snailboy](#): > > Otto is effectively blind, so he’d have trouble writing as well. Nah, sorry, you gotta do better than that. He could still sign a confession. And if he’s so blind, then his aim was pretty damn good when he threw his tongue at the wall… ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-9-11/634311/147 "2012-12-06T17:08:40Z")
Biting the his tongue off and Gemma standing with Jax are both symbolic. You can’t judge those things literally as that’s not how they’re clearly meant to be interpreted. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-9-11/634311/148 "2012-12-06T18:07:14Z")
Finally saw it last night. Did no one else notice that Nero was going to blow his own brains out with the sawed-off shotgun on the nightstand after taking off his rings and going to be alone? ---
**Author:** ![Oogly\_Woogly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ee7513/32.png) [@Oogly\_Woogly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oogly_Woogly)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-9-11/634311/149 "2012-12-06T18:23:46Z")
Otto is nuts. He would probably stab himself in the hand with the pencil if they tried to get him to write a confession. Either that or he would chew off his fingers. I’m glad Tig was saved. I am probably the only one who thinks this but his death would have bothered me more than Opie’s did. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-9-11/634311/150 "2012-12-06T18:35:06Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > Nah, sorry, you gotta do better than that. He could still sign a confession. And if he’s so blind, then his aim was pretty damn good when he threw his tongue at the wall… That confession could easily be challenged on a number of grounds. He didn’t know what he was signing because he couldn’t read it. He couldn’t give a verbal acknowledgment because he had no tongue. And the biggy…biting off your own tongue and throwing it at a window might be seen as sign that a person is a little mentally unbalanced. His confession, even if he could read and sign it, would be worthless. ---
**Author:** ![snailboy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/97f17d/32.png) [@snailboy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snailboy)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-9-11/634311/151 "2012-12-06T20:50:43Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > Nah, sorry, you gotta do better than that. He could still sign a confession. And if he’s so blind, then his aim was pretty damn good when he threw his tongue at the wall… In addition to what **Typo Negative** just said, it doesn’t take very good aim to throw something and hit a wall. I could walk into my house in pitch darkness, throw my keys, and reliably hit the wall with them. I couldn’t walk in, pull out some papers, and sign them on a line I can’t even see. > [@Oogly\_Woogly](#): > > I’m glad Tig was saved. I am probably the only one who thinks this but his death would have bothered me more than Opie’s did. I was hoping he would be saved. It would really be hard to have any respect for Jax if he gave Tig up. ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2012, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-9-11/634311/152 "2012-12-06T21:18:04Z")
> [@Enright3](#): > > I’m thinking they’re going to cut it close, but find a way to kill Pope. If Jax had to kill the prisoner who killed Opie, the guard who set up killing Opie, he’s certainly going to go after the man that ordered Opie to be killed. > > With the fail-safe bounty I’m thinking Tig should be the one that kills Pope. Since he’s getting his life back he should be the one to take the risk. 🙂 I was so close to calling it! My wife didn’t watch the previous episode until right before this episode. She immediately picked up on the way Juice was looking at Clay’s gun. She totally called it. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-9-11/634311/153 "2012-12-07T16:42:20Z")
> [@Oogly\_Woogly](#): > > I’m glad Tig was saved. I am probably the only one who thinks this but his death would have bothered me more than Opie’s did. I liked the last shot of Tig and the rescued pit bull basically “snuggling”… two battle-scarred warriors who were both rescued seconds away from a bullet in the brain. Also, loved the opening scene with [To Sir With Love](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-0ivXc2LdA) playing in the background… was surprised that so many of my friends (circa ages 45-50) did not know this song/movie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-9-11/634311.md?page=7)