# Sons of Anarchy - Season 4 \[Open Spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 9, 2011, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347 "2011-11-09T02:05:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bambro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df705f/32.png) [@Bambro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bambro)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/21 "2011-11-09T20:30:51Z")
> [@Zeldar](#): > > Good point that I had overlooked or forgotten. But the way that things tend to happen, especially after somebody “promises” something or says “that will never happen on my watch” or words to that effect, I would expect the actual final breaths of Clay to come at the hands of some character we least expect, or it will be a major surprise. > > Who could such a character be? Chucky, maybe? Holy shit! That would be a serious mind fuck. I’d never see that coming. I accept that. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Chopper9760](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cdc98d/32.png) [@Chopper9760](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chopper9760)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/22 "2011-11-09T20:44:37Z")
Sutter wants seven seasons!? Kickass. Clay doesn’t hesitate to treat people like shit. It would be fitting if his death was unremarkable or at the hands of a lesser character. I’m sure it will be satisfying no matter who kills him. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/23 "2011-11-09T20:48:13Z")
> [@Chopper9760](#): > > Sutter wants seven seasons!? Kickass. > > Clay doesn’t hesitate to treat people like shit. It would be fitting if his death was unremarkable or at the hands of a lesser character. I’m sure it will be satisfying no matter who kills him. That’s so true! Has Perlman ever played a truly sympathetic character? He has the asshole vibe down pretty good IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glory)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/24 "2011-11-10T00:06:39Z")
> [@Zeldar](#): > > That’s so true! Has Perlman ever played a truly sympathetic character? He has the asshole vibe down pretty good IMO. At [least](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092319/) [one](http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&biw=1680&bih=745&q=vincent+beauty+and+the+beast&gbv=2&oq=vincent+bea&aq=0&aqi=g4g-m4g-S2&aql=&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=1279l6053l0l7971l11l11l0l3l3l0l218l1201l1.5.2l8l0). ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/25 "2011-11-10T00:18:56Z")
> [@Bambro](#): > > One guy up here is speculating that by the end of the season Clay will turn rat, get sent to Stockton again and Big Otto will do him in as he is one of the last “First 9” remaining. . nitpick Big Otto is not First 9. First 9 was Otto Moran. > **[First 9](https://sonsofanarchy.fandom.com/wiki/First_9)** > > The First 9 were the first nine members of the Sons of Anarchy motorcycle club on the FX original series Sons of Anarchy. Formed in Northern California before settling in Charming, California, the First 9 opened up their charter club, SAMCRO, in... ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/26 "2011-11-10T01:01:53Z")
I know Sutter is big on surprise twists (that we all love and appreciate), so I could definitely see Otto or Unser (regardless of him not being a Son) doing Clay in. But on that note, I can’t imagine it not being Jax. I mean, SOA is supposed to be based off of Hamlet, right? So wouldn’t that make the most sense in keeping with that theme then? Or am I misremembering the play too much? Anyway, this is my favoritest show of all time and I think Katy Sagal deserves some serious hardware for her portrayal of Gemma. I also think the cast in general, as well as their guest stars, are excellent overall. I’m psyched that Sutter envisions seven seasons. If only we don’t lose too many good characters along the way. I’m still despondent over Half Sac’s demise. I don’t know how I’d deal with, say, the loss if Tara, who has really grown on me from not liking her in the beginning. Can’t wait to see Clay get his. Bring it on! ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/27 "2011-11-10T14:41:46Z")
At this point are there any SAMCRO members that are still fully on Clay’s side? Most seem to be following him because he has not yet been replaced as President and they are loyal to the club rather then any personal loyalty to Clay, himself. ---
**Author:** ![Chopper9760](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cdc98d/32.png) [@Chopper9760](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chopper9760)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/28 "2011-11-10T16:05:38Z")
Being Clay’s right hand man has distanced Tig from the rest of the club and Donna’s murder really pushed him to the outside. Clay doesn’t rely on Tig much any more and it’s obviously bothers Tig. Tig’s about the only one I think Clay could count on. ---
**Author:** ![Bambro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df705f/32.png) [@Bambro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bambro)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2011, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/29 "2011-11-10T16:15:43Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > nitpick > > Big Otto is not First 9. First 9 was Otto Moran. > > [First 9 | Sons of Anarchy | Fandom](http://sonsofanarchy.wikia.com/wiki/First_9) Well, I’ll be damned. ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Norse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/big_norse/32/9954_2.png) [@Big\_Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Big_Norse)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/30 "2011-11-15T19:39:11Z")
> [@Chopper9760](#): > > Being Clay’s right hand man has distanced Tig from the rest of the club and Donna’s murder really pushed him to the outside. Clay doesn’t rely on Tig much any more and it’s obviously bothers Tig. > > Tig’s about the only one I think Clay could count on. Not after Tig finds out what Clay did to Jemma. Tig loves her. Raising his hand to her was the stupidest move Clay could make, no one will side with him after that. ---
**Author:** ![Minnie\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@Minnie\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minnie_Luna)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/31 "2011-11-15T21:33:37Z")
> [@Big\_Norse](#): > > Not after Tig finds out what Clay did to Jemma. Tig loves her. Raising his hand to her was the stupidest move Clay could make, no one will side with him after that. Tig doesn’t just love her, he worships her. The chemistry between Tig and Gemma has been there since the beginning of the show. I would love to see the two of them get together. My guess is that someone unexpected kills Clay. It won’t be Opie or Jax. ---
**Author:** ![Bambro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df705f/32.png) [@Bambro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bambro)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/32 "2011-11-15T21:36:01Z")
One of my buddies is convinced that Clay is somehow smooth enough to find a way to have Bobby take the fall. I think he’s insane. Bobby Elvis may indeed die, but I think it will be seperate from Clay getting whacked. ---
**Author:** ![Chopper9760](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cdc98d/32.png) [@Chopper9760](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chopper9760)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2011, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/33 "2011-11-15T21:54:16Z")
Good point about Tig, Clay really doesn’t have many cards left to play. I want him dead but I’ll be interested to see if Sutter can believably keep him around for another season. I caught myself thinking that Juice’s situation was treading old ground considering Opie, Chibs, and Jax’s deals with law enforcement but realistically, the SOA would always be in the government’s crosshairs. If Clay dies, doesn’t Jax almost have to morph into the bad guy as a failed savior of the MC? I suppose the last ep lends real credence to the Opie as Laertes theory - the MC might fall to infighting between Jax & Opie instead of Jax and Clay. Both of those suppositions are pretty negative but Sutter isn’t shy about reminding viewers that the SOA are bad guys no matter how much we love them, I don’t foresee a happy ending. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/34 "2011-11-16T04:12:02Z")
What is it with Ryan/Sutter and blowing up Kenny Johnson? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/35 "2011-11-16T05:53:07Z")
Who could imagine Gemma Morrow and Peg Bundy being played by the same actress? Gemma would poke an eye out from despair if she knew. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/36 "2011-11-16T08:46:22Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > What is it with Ryan/Sutter and blowing up Kenny Johnson? I think it’s because Kenny got a gig on Prime Suspect and couldn’t do both due to schedule conflict. And that sucks for him because PS just got cancelled. I’d have much rather seen him stick with Sons. I’m loving this season, especially these last few episodes. Tonight’s was great, comedy relief interspersed with some serious drama. Unser is obviously setting it up so Opie will kill Clay, instead of Gemma putting herself in danger by attempting to do it herself. I also love that they’ve brought Wendy back into the show. I’ve been expecting her to come back to form a relationship with Abel, and it was good to see her clean and sober and doing something productive with her life. It’s like she and Tara switched trajectories. Some on the TWOP forum think she’s being manipulative, but I didn’t see that at all. I saw a woman who has cleaned up her life attempting to see her son. And it wouldn’t be fair for Tara and Jax to keep her from doing that, if nothing else at least for Abel’s sake. It pisses me off that Gemma has the nerve to keep calling her a junkie whore, especially since Gemma has done far more questionable/criminal things than Wendy. As long as she stays clean, I think she’s better for Abel than either of his parents or grandparents. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/37 "2011-11-16T14:06:07Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > What is it with Ryan/Sutter and blowing up Kenny Johnson? Even worse for him is that he is unemployed again, as _Prime Suspect_ is likely done. But that is what I thought too…‘they blew up Lem…again’. ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/38 "2011-11-16T14:14:10Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Even worse for him is that he is unemployed again, as _Prime Suspect_ is likely done. But that is what I thought too…‘they blew up Lem…again’. Couldn’t just be a South Park shout-out, could it? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/39 "2011-11-16T14:37:28Z")
I understand Prime Suspect is about to start filming what will likely be its final episode. If they really want to keep it going, they’ll write in another explosion for him. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2011, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347/40 "2011-11-16T15:04:18Z")
Does anyone else think that Otto’s whole deal with the Feds is just part of Jax’s “exit strategy?” I can see a big plot twist coming. There’s no way Otto would turn on Bobby, even with the knowledge of his ol’ lady. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sons-of-anarchy-season-4-open-spoilers/602347.md?page=3)