# Sony takes advantage of AT&T vs. Concepcion ruling. **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 17, 2011, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sony-takes-advantage-of-at-t-vs-concepcion-ruling/596616 "2011-09-17T12:59:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sony-takes-advantage-of-at-t-vs-concepcion-ruling/596616/1 "2011-09-17T12:59:15Z")
> **[New PSN Terms of Service prevents class-action suits](https://www.gamespot.com/articles/new-psn-terms-of-service-prevents-class-action-suits/1100-6334669/)** > > Sony amends the PlayStation Network's Terms of Service in an attempt to stop future group legal action aimed at them. New PSN TOS agreement includes a clause for binding arbitration and prohibits joining a class action. You can opt out by sending a letter to Sony within 30 days of signiing the agreement. Shenanigans made possible by the Roberts Supreme court. Decision already discussed by the SDMB: [Supreme Court ends Class Action lawsuits [AT&T Mobility LLC v. Concepcion]](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=606384&highlight=Concepcion) There’s one class action from the Other OS removal and two from the PSN breach. Sony was just regaining good will after the PSN debacle and they pull this. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sony-takes-advantage-of-at-t-vs-concepcion-ruling/596616/2 "2011-09-17T13:15:33Z")
Let’s be reasonable here: what are the odds that you were going to join a class action against Sony? ---
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sony-takes-advantage-of-at-t-vs-concepcion-ruling/596616/3 "2011-09-17T13:18:16Z")
Approx. 0 but I still don’t have to like it. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sony-takes-advantage-of-at-t-vs-concepcion-ruling/596616/4 "2011-09-19T07:49:47Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Let’s be reasonable here: what are the odds that you were going to join a class action against Sony? Quite high if they create another piece of malware to try to prevent people from copying their stuff. I mean, if you qualify, why not join every class action lawsuit that you are informed of? It takes little effort and allows you to be part of distributing justice to someone who has wrongly used a large number of people. And, hey, you might get a few bucks out of it, too. The only reason not to join is if you actually think you can sue them on your own. It makes me wonder why corporation went along with class action suits in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sony-takes-advantage-of-at-t-vs-concepcion-ruling/596616/5 "2011-09-19T09:09:27Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Let’s be reasonable here: what are the odds that you were going to join a class action against Sony? Didn’t Sony recently have a breach that exposed customers’ financial or identifying data to hackers? Eventually there will be lawsuits when those sorts of things happen, because some company is going to be found to have been negligent about security. It may be Sony. And then what? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2011, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sony-takes-advantage-of-at-t-vs-concepcion-ruling/596616/6 "2011-09-19T15:05:51Z")
And then you file a claim with the arbitrator. _shrug_ ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sony-takes-advantage-of-at-t-vs-concepcion-ruling/596616/7 "2011-09-20T09:12:57Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > And then you file a claim with the arbitrator. _shrug_ Are you at all familiar with how arbitration works in this country? You can shrug, but arbitration is a reasonable means of settling adversarial disputes between individuals and huge multinational corporations like the Statue of Liberty is purple and plays “Hakuna Matata” every hour on the half hour. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2011, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sony-takes-advantage-of-at-t-vs-concepcion-ruling/596616/9 "2011-09-20T10:44:48Z")
Much enjoy to your bans!