# Sopranos: 3/26 (Open Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 27, 2006, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030 "2006-03-27T03:09:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2006, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/41 "2006-03-27T17:50:07Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Yes and a reputed yes (it’s a war movie whose name eludes me at the moment). Same with the Big Band leader (might have been Tommy Dorsey, but again, might be faulty memory) releasing him from the contract (as Michael explains at the wedding in _The Godfather_). If _From Here To Eternity_ is the movie you’re thinking of, there’s just as strong a rumor that Ava Gardner helped in Frank’s getting the Maggio role as there is that the mob helped. The issue of Frank’s career being on the skids until that role came along (and the subsequent Oscar for it) and got him back in the public eye, is not disputed. How he got the role depends on whose version you buy into. I doubt if there are many actors whose rumor mill has more going on in it than Frank. Mitchum maybe. Or Brando. ---
**Author:** ![Twin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/85f322/32.png) [@Twin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Twin)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2006, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/42 "2006-03-27T17:58:17Z")
> [@Trunk](#): > > Very good episode. I loved all the power play between the minions. I hope they can keep that going a little while Tony recovers. Excellent portrayal of Silvio’s inability to lead. I didn’t htink they had to go all the way to sending him off in an ambulance, though. > > Also, did AJ’s first T-Shirt of the episode say “Most Likely To Succeed” on it? (wink wink) > > After I noticed it, the only glimpse I got was “Most Likely To (blank)”. I believe the shirt read, “Most Likely to Bogart”. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/43 "2006-03-27T18:00:20Z")
> [@Trunk](#): > > It’s really, really funny how quickly the mobster’s loyalties dissipated when the boss went down. Even Chris. The only one who got more loyal was AJ. It’s like any business, isn’t it? People start jockeying for position as soon as they see the big guy falling. It has to be even worse for crime families, where instead of vying for promotion and a corner office, you’re trying to stay alive. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2006, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/44 "2006-03-27T18:08:04Z")
The thing that got me was that the humor is back. From Paulie’s comically inept handling of the robbery (can he do anything without getting hurt?) to the film pitch meeting (almost as funny as Chris’ intervention a few seasons back). “Ghostbusters, another fuckin’ money machine!” Priceless. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2006, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/45 "2006-03-27T18:44:07Z")
Thanks **Zeldar** and **missbunny** , that was the movie. As for the truthfulness of that tale or of the band leader tale…well, despite my 1/2 Sicilian heritage, the Sicilian half of my family was not present at either occassion, so I cannot vouch for the stories’ accuracy. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2006, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/46 "2006-03-27T19:17:00Z")
I know this isn’t a prediction thread, but I think Vito will try to take out Tony before he fully recovers. In Episode 2, I thought I saw a slightly overweight shadow ominously standing in the waiting room after the lights were out. I think Tony will need to have his real family close by over the next few episodes. One of them (possibly AJ or Meadow?) might even sacrifice his or her own life somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Survey1215](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecb155/32.png) [@Survey1215](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Survey1215)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2006, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/47 "2006-03-27T20:15:05Z")
Count me in w the group that sees Vito getting whacked sooner rather than later. But I don’t think Tony’s gonna have it done - I think he’s gonna push Bobby’s buttons one too many times, get something going there and get taken out. Or he’ll get Finn cornered, think they’re alone and start working him up and Paulie or Chris (two guys who strike me as homophobic, and anxious for an excuse to pop Vito) shows up and takes him out. Paulie already has a good excuse due to the bad intel Vito gave him about the Columbians damn near got him killed. That should have at least gotten him a bigger cut of the action. My favorite part of the episode was the reaction of Carmela’s father after she lit into AJ. The look on his face was great. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2006, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/48 "2006-03-27T20:35:53Z")
**Survey** , are we watching the same series? None of your predictions…let me repeat… **none** of your predictions will come to pass. It is not the series style. I do think that Vito is this season’s sacrificial lamb, but not in the way you describe. The mob’s overall homophobia may play into his inevitable whacking; as a matter of fact, I’m going to make a strong prediction that is will be a _contibuting_ factor. And if Bobby is the ‘whacker’, it is only going to be under orders from Tony. One thing that might happen before the end is a NY / NJ mob war. Chase is building the resentments, but I don’t know if he’s going to pull the trigger. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2006, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/49 "2006-03-27T20:53:50Z")
I am loving how this season is progressing. First, the external threat by the FBI is diminished (but not gone). Then, Junior shooting Tony creates internal threats in many ways, both to his health (initially) and to the infrastructure and loyalty of the family (both blood and brotherhood). What should follow is a complicated by-product of internal posturing as well as external attacks once the NY crew gets better organized. Also, Sunday nights are a whole lot better! ---
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2006, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/50 "2006-03-27T22:02:57Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Well T is awake. At first I was worried he might have brain damage but it looks he’ll be back to his temperamental self next week. Okay, did I miss something? Because he looked pretty well out of it when the credits started to roll. I didn’t watch the previews for next week, though - did they show Tony back to normal? ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2006, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/51 "2006-03-27T22:15:39Z")
In the previews for next week- Tony was talking. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2006, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/52 "2006-03-27T22:53:14Z")
> [@BlackKnight](#): > > The subplot with Christopher’s old rehab buddy seemed pretty random at first. After some thought, I think it’s actually rather obvious. They were discussing a guy who dies, gets cut up into pieces, then gets reformed in order to take revenge against those who had done him harm. Duh! Tony has “died”, had his identity cut up and analyzed, and apparantly reformed (possibly with some alteration or missing piece). One of his souls may be missing. I definitely got the analogy with Ton, but I hadn’t considered the Egyptian stuff from the opener. That’s interesting – and the way it’s written, Tony’s “Ba” may have taken a hit. No “Ba” = No strength, no authority, no respect. If there _was_ an intended parallel with Egyptian mythology, the movie they pitched sounded an awful lot like a schlock horror take on the death and resurrection of Osiris: Murdered, cut into pieces and widely distributed, and reassembled, but missing an important piece has been utterly destroyed and which needs to be replaced with a prosthetic. I think the working title, _“Pork Store Killer”_ was supposed to recall season one, where we learned that the root of Tony’s anxieties was his witnessing, as a child, his father’s brutal act at Satriale’s Pork Store. ---
**Author:** ![NothingMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b77776/32.png) [@NothingMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NothingMan)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2006, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/53 "2006-03-27T23:16:42Z")
I do believe that was supposed to be Tonys mother in the doorway. My first thought was the house was filled with deceased family and associates - hence Tony B.'s cameo. The Vito-Finn subplot is interesting because of the fact that you don’t know if Vito wants to bang Finn or kill him. Most of the reactions that Vito has had when Finn has been around could be percieved either way. Finn already told Meadow about Vito last season, but I don’t think she believed him. I bet what ends up happening is that Vito rapes Finn the first chance he gets and then uses that to blackmail/shame Finn into keeping his mouth shut. . . or at least trys something to this effect. A.J. sure has grown to be a wholly stupid, self-centered, dramatic asshole. Even for a teenager! I’m with the rest of you that are ready for a recovered Tony to start knocking heads around again. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2006, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/54 "2006-03-27T23:22:57Z")
Not “normal”, but talking, energetically. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2006, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/55 "2006-03-27T23:26:55Z")
> [@Larry Mudd](#): > > I think the working title, _“Pork Store Killer”_ was supposed to recall season one, where we learned that the root of Tony’s anxieties was his witnessing, as a child, his father’s brutal act at Satriale’s Pork Store. I continue to be amazed at posters who remember details like this. Do ya’ll just have bigger brains, or have you watched the episodes recently, or frequently? ---
**Author:** ![Zeldar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b77776/32.png) [@Zeldar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeldar)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2006, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/56 "2006-03-27T23:36:15Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > I continue to be amazed at posters who remember details like this. Do ya’ll just have bigger brains, or have you watched the episodes recently, or frequently? I’ve watched and rewatched most of the first four seasons several times. Last season just twice (maybe three times in spots). Still with all that, there are details others come up with that astound me. That said, another aspect of the Pork Store Killer thing is that Chris popped his cherry whacking Emil in the Satriale’s place early in Season 1. Whether this would have been spoken of with Tim Daly is anybody’s guess. The layers that folks are getting into with the symbolism and flashbacks and general speculation are really helping me enjoy this season. It makes me wonder how much of all this stuff we’re seeing and guessing about has been intended (or at least discussed) by the writers and producers. I will cry when the show has finished. It’s been so far above everything else. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Goob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c77e96/32.png) [@Mr.Goob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Goob)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2006, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/57 "2006-03-28T02:10:53Z")
Heaven or Hell, it isn’t clear. I felt the Finnerty family reunion is all the dead people in Tony’s life. Tony B. as the door man, and the quick shadow at the door was Olivia (sp? Tony’s mom) Vito has a crush on Finn, it will come to a head in getting him whacked. Bobby, even being Tony’s brother in law with Janice trying to be the power behind the throne better get a clue before he gets into trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2006, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/58 "2006-03-28T02:22:31Z")
> [@Zeldar](#): > > I will cry when the show has finished. It’s been so far above everything else. Speaking of which, did anyone else cry when Tony regained consciousness? That is, I think, a measure of how well the show balances the F-family with the f-family. As has been said earlier, Tony dying would be sweet poetic justice, considering how many people he’s killed or ordered to be killed, but in that scene, it was his wife and daughter, who love him regardless, that I was identifying with. The look on Meadow’s face when she wasn’t sure whether to rejoice or start mourning in earnest just rent my heart. * * * Beyond that, during the scene outside the reunion, I kept thinking, “Briefcases! Buscemi and briefcases! It’s come full circle, from his breakthrough role to his stunt casting!” Mr. Rilch also expressed his admiration for the crew who lit that scene, which must have been a two-day job, minimum, and added, “David Chase has now outdone David Lynch when it comes to dream sequences.” ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2006, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/59 "2006-03-28T11:51:04Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > Okay, did I miss something? Because he looked pretty well out of it when the credits started to roll. > > I didn’t watch the previews for next week, though - did they show Tony back to normal? Yeah- the previews show T talking very animatedly, almost like he has made a 100% recovery. But I think we all know that the previews can be very misleading. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2006, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030/60 "2006-03-28T13:18:17Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > I continue to be amazed at posters who remember details like this. Do ya’ll just have bigger brains, or have you watched the episodes recently, or frequently? Google the words “fanboy,” “nerd,” “geek,” and “Trekkie.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-3-26-open-spoilers/350030.md?page=4)