# Sopranos: 4/2 (Open Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 3, 2006, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010 "2006-04-03T02:13:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![deevee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@deevee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deevee)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2006, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/61 "2006-04-04T05:38:40Z")
> [@elmwood](#): > > What’s the deal with the strange pointing? Paulie pointing with the index finger and pinkie, the pastor with the thumb … I always took that to be a reflexive respect thing. Never directly point at someone. By extending the pinky as well, the gesture is less threatening and rude. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2006, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/62 "2006-04-04T12:34:46Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > I didn’t notice the orange myself, but I think it’s more likely they were foreshadowing danger with a nod to the Godfather films. Oranges are repeatedly associated with death in those movies. So true, when Don Corleone gets shot, he drops the oranges he just picked out and they roll across the street. Of course when he dies, it is after scaring his little Grandson with the Orange slice in his mouth. Were there other scenes I am forgetting? Jim ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2006, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/63 "2006-04-04T12:37:42Z")
TONY: . . . And from here on out, every day is a gift! JANICE: Yeah. I’ll get the car. You would think Janice, given her history of spiritual seeking, would have reacted to that with a little more enthusiasm. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2006, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/64 "2006-04-04T12:59:38Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > TONY: . . . And from here on out, every day is a gift! > > JANICE: Yeah. I’ll get the car. > You would think Janice, given her history of spiritual seeking, would have reacted to that with a little more enthusiasm. She manages to always be a self-centered bitch. In this case it did seem a little out of character though. Jim ---
**Author:** ![diku](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4af34b/32.png) [@diku](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/diku)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2006, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/65 "2006-04-04T13:07:15Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > So true, when Don Corleone gets shot, he drops the oranges he just picked out and they roll across the street. Of course when he dies, it is after scaring his little Grandson with the Orange slice in his mouth. Were there other scenes I am forgetting? > > Jim Godfather II, Michael and Tom are talking about killing Hyman Roth, Michael is eating an orange. In a way that no one else has ever eaten an orange. He kinda half peels it and sucks on it. ---
**Author:** ![kingpengvin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9dc877/32.png) [@kingpengvin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kingpengvin)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2006, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/66 "2006-04-04T13:21:30Z")
> [@What Exit?](#): > > So true, when Don Corleone gets shot, he drops the oranges he just picked out and they roll across the street. Of course when he dies, it is after scaring his little Grandson with the Orange slice in his mouth. Were there other scenes I am forgetting? > > Jim In Part I At the meeting of the Dons both Tattaliga and Barzini have Oranges in front of them. When we first see Tessio at the party he has an Orange in his hand. When Carlo gets his butt wipped by Sonny, onny is wearing orange! Part II Johnny Ola wears orange. Roth’s gift to Michael… An orange. Michael while plotting Freido’s and Roth’s Death is eating an orange (Biting right through the peel eww) I believe Michael’s car was orange. Fanucci picks up an orange on his way back home (before getting shot) Oranges on the table in the Cuba meeting Part III The Helicopter Hit has a huge bowl of oranges on the table. During his Diabetic episode Mike is having Orange juice. Michael drops an orange in his last scene. The hit men father and son have oranges when discussing “A stone in Adabello’s shoe” Sorry back to the Sopranos: Paulie, will get by… of course if the kid goes to the cops as an earlier poster mentioned, that could make things tough for the family and then Paulie goes bye bye. Still, I think he’ll get by. The guy has screwed up enough times and gotten away with it. Tony is unable to have peace in his life. There is no way he will sit still for the crap going around him. I love how the “gangstas” come across to the real mob guys. Tony sits and listens in on the ginger crying and bawling , and later meets the guy posing as a bad ass and though he says nothing there is that look in Tony’s eyes that says the guy is full of it… He knows that the “street cred” these guys have is nothing. Shot in the Ass… That was hilarious. There is no way that will help his carreer. “Oh My god!” “What is it?” " I think I found Hoffa" And Bob … too bad they coyuldn’t get Waters to play him it would have been perfect. Still the actor playing him had creepy eyes so it wasn’t bad casting. I hope he tries to show up again and gets one of Tony’s nasty lessons (Not death, just a demonstration of what he is capable of) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2006, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/67 "2006-04-04T13:43:54Z")
> [@kingpengvin](#): > > Shot in the Ass… That was hilarious. There is no way that will help his carreer. Still, when you consider all the places you might be shot . . . I think I’d choose “ass.” No vital organs, plenty of muscle mass and expendable fat, best chance of recovery without impairment. Even getting shot in the thigh might sever a tendon or, worse, the femoral artery. ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2006, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/68 "2006-04-04T13:54:49Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Still, when you consider all the places you might be shot . . . I think I’d choose “ass.” No vital organs, plenty of muscle mass and expendable fat, best chance of recovery without impairment. Even getting shot in the thigh might sever a tendon or, worse, the femoral artery. Nah. In the gangsta community, he’ll be a laughingstock. “Dude, you got shot in your ass?!?!?!? Bwahahaha!” So much for his street cred. He’ll probably get pissed at Bobby and come after him. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2006, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/69 "2006-04-04T14:35:03Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Incorrect. That was Hesh’s _daughter_. Her husband was beaten almost to death by one of Philly’s boys due to a misunderstanding in the first episode of this season. Tony asked her how he was doing when she first walked into the room. Exactly, that’s why she doesn’t get it and he does. Hesh is no fool. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2006, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/70 "2006-04-04T14:44:23Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > See, once you do that, and let Pauli know you’ve done it – your personal safety now becomes his personal problem; because now there’s an incident report with your name on it and his, and if anything at all happens to you, the authorities will be coming after Pauli. Even if it’s one of the New York guys who actually does it. Anybody with any sense could figure all this out. Fat lotta good that will do you at the bottom of New York Harbor. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2006, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/71 "2006-04-04T14:55:08Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > Exactly, that’s why she doesn’t get it and he does. Hesh is no fool. Which is why Tony keeps him around. I’d like to see more of Hesh, he’s an interesting character. ---
**Author:** ![fiddlesticks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddlesticks/32/18129_2.png) [@fiddlesticks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fiddlesticks)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2006, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/72 "2006-04-04T15:00:33Z")
> [@McNew](#): > > Nah. In the gangsta community, he’ll be a laughingstock. “Dude, you got shot in your ass?!?!?!? Bwahahaha!” > > So much for his street cred. He’ll probably get pissed at Bobby and come after him. Maybe Bobby should have used his hunting rifle. 🙂 The implication of being shot in the ass is that he was running away from the shooter. Not very gangsta. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2006, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/73 "2006-04-04T15:08:47Z")
One of the better lines in the ep was when Tony is sitting outside the gangsta’s hospital room, listening to the conversation. Somebody says to the musician “Getting shot will help restore your street cred, what with you having that job before.” ---
**Author:** ![Pashnish\_Ewing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8797f3/32.png) [@Pashnish\_Ewing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pashnish_Ewing)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2006, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/74 "2006-04-04T16:13:00Z")
> [@ScoobyTX](#): > > I talked to Turk Pipkin (the guy that plays the narcoleptic ex-boyfriend)… Did he tell you the good news? ---
**Author:** ![ltfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@ltfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ltfire)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2006, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/75 "2006-04-04T19:40:51Z")
> [@deevee](#): > > I always took that to be a reflexive respect thing. Never directly point at someone. By extending the pinky as well, the gesture is less threatening and rude. The idea of “maloccio” (literally, evil eye) permeates Italian superstition. The hand sign of extending your pinkie and index finger, while keeping the others folded back, is supposed to ward off the evil spirit that someone has put on you. Wearing a tiny horn- shaped charm (the corno) around your neck is another way to eliminate evil curses. From here: [http://www.operacolorado.org/images/The%20Curse.pdf](http://www.operacolorado.org/images/The%20Curse.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2006, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/76 "2006-04-04T22:07:33Z")
I keep forgetting to mention: Love the rapper DeLux telling his son, “Don’t make me come over there.” Even though he’s tethered to a hospital bed. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2006, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010/77 "2006-04-05T15:24:28Z")
> [@Lochdale](#): > > I think it’s fairly significant that Carmela is getting involved. She’s moved from implicitly accepting the benefits of crime to explicitly aiding Tony. I agree. Carmela telling Tony to watch out for Vito was the most significant development in this episode. Carmela had never shown much interest in Tony’s well-being, in relation to her own. But after seeing what Ginny Sacs is going through and the Vito/Paulie payment reaction, she now understands that she’s part of both families and that she might need to help out from time to time. If Tony ever dies or gets incarcerated, her quality of life will drop severely (especially since she is quite materialistic). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-2-open-spoilers/351010.md?page=3)