# Sopranos: 4/9 (Open Spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 10, 2006, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025 "2006-04-10T02:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/21 "2006-04-10T11:33:16Z")
I thought in the scene toward the end where T walks into the back room he asks if anyone has heard from Vito and Sil recants how Vito called him a couple of days ago. Which seems to me that if Vito had eaten a bullet, they would have known about it by then. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/22 "2006-04-10T12:02:26Z")
Is the Van Zandt girl another non-actress, like the woman who plays Ginny? She seemed rather awkward. And speaking of Ginny, it killed me that the bridesmaids were trying to catch her and couldn’t. Reminded me of a Herman panel: “The elephant fainted and we can’t find the keeper.” Meanwhile, two feet are sticking out from underneath the elephant. Also loved the contrast between Vito dancing so awkwardly with his wife, like a middle-schooler on his first date, and his being so aggressive with the guy at the club. That was such a great look on his face during the wedding vows, too. And Christopher is a total sieve-brain. Clearly seen the Godfather movies a zillion times, but can’t even remember how the “offer he can’t refuse” works. Also thought it was interesting that when Tony collapsed, Meadow (as opposed to Carmella) ordered AJ to get a chair, and he responded immediately. I guess he hears her, where he long ago stopped having any regard for his mom. ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/23 "2006-04-10T12:14:27Z")
[QUOTE=Rilchiam] Also thought it was interesting that when Tony collapsed, Meadow (as opposed to Carmella) ordered AJ to get a chair, and he responded immediately. I guess he hears her, where he long ago stopped having any regard for his mom. [/QUOTE] Really? In my memory it’s Carm yelling for AJ to get the chair. I don’t have it recorded so I can’t check until they rerun it. ---
**Author:** ![marymargaret](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@marymargaret](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marymargaret)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/24 "2006-04-10T12:16:42Z")
I figured Vito was going to go kill the two guys who saw him in the bar. Guess I was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/25 "2006-04-10T12:19:21Z")
[QUOTE=McNew] Really? In my memory it’s Carm yelling for AJ to get the chair. I don’t have it recorded so I can’t check until they rerun it. [/QUOTE] Carmella asks for the chair. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/26 "2006-04-10T12:32:31Z")
[QUOTE=flickster] I thought in the scene toward the end where T walks into the back room he asks if anyone has heard from Vito and Sil recants how Vito called him a couple of days ago. Which seems to me that if Vito had eaten a bullet, they would have known about it by then. [/QUOTE] Seems to me that if Vito HADN’T eaten a bullet, someone would have heard from him. At least, that’s the point I thought they were trying to make. It’s funny that Tony considered the arms of all the guys and picked a fight with the most buff guy – who is obviously just a gym rat, and not a real tough guy. ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/27 "2006-04-10T12:36:22Z")
But he was ready to beat the shit out of the guys in the truck- or maybe that was just the ‘roids talkin’. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/28 "2006-04-10T13:06:29Z")
[QUOTE=newcrasher] Carmella asks for the chair. [/QUOTE] Oh. Well, he responded to someone, at any rate. ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/29 "2006-04-10T13:14:12Z")
[QUOTE=Stratocaster] I also coudln’t see Johnny crying like that. My wife disagrees with me on that one. But given that, and Phil’s comments–to people outside Johnny’s “family” no less–it doesn’t bode well for Johnnny, it seems to me. [/QUOTE] I have the opposite feeling – that it doesn’t bode well for Phil. I have nothing definite to tie that to, but I got the feeling watching Johnny back in his prison cell that 1) he’s really pissed and 2) he knows he showed weakness. Johnny’s been having problems with Phil for a while; I think Phil’s going to do something that will trigger (hah!) a reaction from Johnny. ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/30 "2006-04-10T13:18:37Z")
One other thing: who was that other new guy, the large, bald guy who talked about taking care of his mother? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/31 "2006-04-10T13:23:21Z")
[QUOTE=JeffB] One other thing: who was that other new guy, the large, bald guy who talked about taking care of his mother? [/QUOTE] MY WAG: Probably the promoted replacement for the guy who committed suicide in the opening episode. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Winnie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e480ec/32.png) [@Winnie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winnie)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/32 "2006-04-10T13:41:46Z")
**Vito Spoiler Alert:** Vito escapes to a “small New Hampshire town” to get away from the possible ramifications of being outed. I know this because the show filmed these scenes in my family’s town of Boonton, New Jersey back in the early fall. My aunt is the town clerk and helped the producers scout locations and get all the permissions needed with the police and zoning stuff. ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/33 "2006-04-10T14:01:40Z")
It just occured to me. The bizarre conversation between Vito & Sil was a code they had prearranged. It was Vito’s way of telling Silvio that he had to disappear for a while and to not tell anyone. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/34 "2006-04-10T14:09:11Z")
[QUOTE=anyrose] It just occured to me. The bizarre conversation between Vito & Sil was a code they had prearranged. It was Vito’s way of telling Silvio that he had to disappear for a while and to not tell anyone. [/QUOTE] If it was, Silvio didn’t act like he knew it was a code. I kind of doubt it. I think Vito was trying to make a hard decision. Whether to Off himself or lam it. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/35 "2006-04-10T15:39:58Z")
Thanks for using the spoiler tags guys. It helps me resist my urge to be spoiled! I didn’t like this episode and I have a number of reasons why not (feel free to talk me through them or point out what I am missing). 1. The New York family situation. We have absolute no set-up to Fankie Valli’s character having a legitimate claim on the NY family. When Carmine died it always seemed that Valli was simply a supporter or a valued advisor to little Carm. Suddenly he not only is a legitimate contender now but was two years ago? Makes no sense. They make it even worse by having Sack as Tony to kill him! 2. I have yet to see how Phil is giving Sack such problems. Phil seems to be doing what he needs to do. 3. Vito suddenly becoming a leatherman seemed a little odd. Wouldn’t he know that the club was subject to shakedown? Wouldn’t he try and be a little more discrete? 4. I’m tired of the redshirts. Anytime someone new is introduced to the show you just know something bad is going to happen to them. Let’s have something happen to an established character. ---
**Author:** ![Lochdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/edb3f5/32.png) [@Lochdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lochdale)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/36 "2006-04-10T16:16:03Z")
[QUOTE=II Gyan II] Spoiler: [http://w](http://w) ww.moviecentral.ca /content3/sopranos6/episodes.htm has synopsis of future episodes. [/QUOTE] Link doesn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/37 "2006-04-10T16:18:33Z")
[QUOTE=Lochdale] Link doesn’t work. [/QUOTE] manually remove the stuff between the first and second "w"s ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/38 "2006-04-10T16:18:48Z")
[QUOTE=Lochdale] Link doesn’t work. [/QUOTE] Click on it, then fix the address. In IE that means removing the ‘%20’ from the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/39 "2006-04-10T16:25:48Z")
[QUOTE=Lochdale] Vito suddenly becoming a leatherman seemed a little odd. Wouldn’t he know that the club was subject to shakedown? Wouldn’t he try and be a little more discrete? [/QUOTE] I had thought that it wasn’t the club being shakendown (shookdown?). I thought that the bartender owned money to the mob personally either for gambling or loan sharking. That’s why he got his wallet rather than taking money from the till. The reason that Vito always leaves weddings early is because he knows that all of his friends will be at the wedding until the wee hours and they won’t see him out doing his secret life thing. It was a very unlucky combination of events for Vito. ---
**Author:** ![UntouchedTakeaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d78d45/32.png) [@UntouchedTakeaway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UntouchedTakeaway)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2006, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025/40 "2006-04-10T16:42:41Z")
[QUOTE=Rilchiam] Is the Van Zandt girl another non-actress, like the woman who plays Ginny? She seemed rather awkward. And speaking of Ginny, it killed me that the bridesmaids were trying to catch her and couldn’t. Reminded me of a Herman panel: “The elephant fainted and we can’t find the keeper.” Meanwhile, two feet are sticking out from underneath the elephant. Also loved the contrast between Vito dancing so awkwardly with his wife, like a middle-schooler on his first date, and his being so aggressive with the guy at the club. That was such a great look on his face during the wedding vows, too. And Christopher is a total sieve-brain. Clearly seen the Godfather movies a zillion times, but can’t even remember how the “offer he can’t refuse” works. Also thought it was interesting that when Tony collapsed, Meadow (as opposed to Carmella) ordered AJ to get a chair, and he responded immediately. I guess he hears her, where he long ago stopped having any regard for his mom. [/QUOTE] Let Ginny Sack’s fainting spell be a fashion lesson to _ALL_ women - regardless of their size: do NOT wear knee-high pantyhose under long dresses 😃 VCNJ~ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sopranos-4-9-open-spoilers/352025.md?page=3)