# Sorry, I'm STILL NOT GAY, but thanks! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 2, 2002, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042 "2002-12-02T21:43:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/61 "2002-12-03T16:48:11Z")
While I have no opinion about the OP, was I the only one snickering about the **The Ace of Swords** choice of handle given the subject matter? Ace of Swords indeed. . . . šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/62 "2002-12-03T17:36:22Z")
Castigating fat stubbley girls? I just wondered if your reaction would have been the same if a girl you havenā€™t seen in a year gave you a midnight booty call, if your reaction would have been the same if the girl was fat and stubbley and if everyone would have jumped down your throat if your reaction had been the same in those other circumstances. Because I read disgust in your OP: > [@](#): > > ." Fer christ sake, at least find out if Iā€™m gay first you skeevy pipe-smoker! and this: > [@](#): > > : Hey, jamoke ā€“ gimme another fucking pint ova here! Fucking limey pinky-lifting nipple-twisting buggery git! Hey, you know what, buddy? I like the PUSSY ā€“ yes I do, pink and tangy, thatā€™s the stuff, yum yum give me some ā€“ Eh, buddy? Eh? Sounds as if you have a special sense of-- what am I looking for here-- dismay because the caller was a man. So again I ask-- would your reaction have been the same if it was a good-looking woman? A fat, ugly one? And everyone else-- would **Aceā€™s** _dismay_ have been appropriate if the caller had been female, especially a sexually undesirable one? ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/63 "2002-12-03T18:56:37Z")
Well, if anyone has too many, I can handle the extra after-midnight booty calls from good looking women. I stay up late. DaLovinā€™ Dj (always trying to do my part) ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/64 "2002-12-03T19:03:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mtgman \* > \*\*Too many Star Trek: Enterprise episodes with Hoshi unclothed. Did something to the poor boy, not sure what.[sub]and Iā€™m NOT going to speculate![/sub] > > Enjoy, > Steven \*\* I think you hit it on the headā€¦ Hey, kevja, did we meet at a BAD dopefest in May? ---
**Author:** ![kimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f0a364/32.png) [@kimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kimera)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/65 "2002-12-03T20:22:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > \*\*I thought **Tars** was being funny. > > Well, if said lesbian member started ranting about how all straight men want to convert her, or blah blah blah, and how they should blah blah blahā€¦yeah. \*\* I get this a lot. ~\_\_\_\_~ ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/66 "2002-12-03T22:11:34Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Biggirl \* > > Because I read disgust in your OP: > > * * * > > ." Fer christ sake, at least find out if Iā€™m gay first you skeevy pipe-smoker! > > * * * This would be annoyance at the situation in general, and at the skeevy ass in question ā€“ who is gay, big deal. Itā€™s not like Iā€™ve never been hit on by gay guys before ā€“ that really doesnā€™t shatter my worldview. This particular gay guy happens to be a skeevy asshole, IMHO. One can be disgusted by the perviness and not the gayness, no? > [@](#): > > * * * > > ## : Hey, jamoke ā€“ gimme another fucking pint ova here! Fucking limey pinky-lifting nipple-twisting buggery git! Hey, you know what, buddy? I like the PUSSY ā€“ yes I do, pink and tangy, thatā€™s the stuff, yum yum give me some ā€“ Eh, buddy? Eh? Nah, thatā€™s not disgust ā€“ thatā€™s a parody of hypermasculinity, which is how some men react to the fear of even being approaced by gay men. For instance, if I were to buy into **gobear** ā€™s implication that itā€™s my fault for ever giving my phone number a guy in a bar. Hell, I shouldnā€™t even to talk to guys, except about sports and pussy, right? So if it was, say, a sexually undesireable chick, absolutely, those three standards Iā€™ve mentioned would still hold. I would still be annoyed at the call, dismayed at the sexual signalling breakdown, and head-shaking in wonderment at the chuztpah. And I think the analogy is quite strained ā€“ when on earth has a woman called a man whom she met tangentally a year ago for sex? That would be a seriously scary situation. I think if some girl called me up in the same manner, I wouldnā€™t be able to laugh it off ā€“ Iā€™d be worried what scam she was pulling. So yeah, thereā€™s a double standard ā€“ itā€™s a PRO-GAY double-standard, though. ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/67 "2002-12-03T22:32:59Z")
**Bryan Ekers** , that is unbelieveable. I will never enter into a contest there, though those lego things are damn cool. Then again, I never saw any contestā€¦ Maybe he was making up the contest and put the box there himself! ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/68 "2002-12-03T23:18:28Z")
Wow, itā€™s really starting to look like any mention at all of gay people just opens the tap for wacky overreactions. I guess I should be used to overly sensitive ridiculously exaggerated reactions from **Biggirl** , among many. I remember a late night sportstalk host who used to prohibit discussions on certain topics. Popular ones were Mike Tyson, Jerry Jones, and the flavor-of-the-week undefeated midmajor collegiate team. Certain topics just always went awry, no matter if they began with the best of intentions. Are we really heading for the point when somebody canā€™t tell a story involving homosexuality in any way without a million people jumping up to cry foul? Are we heading for the point at which the only solution will be to avoid the topic completely? Sometimes it seems soā€¦ But anyone who opens a thread and mentions the word ā€œgayā€ should expect this by now, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![apotheosis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ba8739/32.png) [@apotheosis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/apotheosis)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2002, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/69 "2002-12-03T23:20:15Z")
/me hands **RexDart** a flak jacket and backs away ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/70 "2002-12-04T00:05:31Z")
Ridiculously exaggerated? You know, a person asks a relevant, calm question-- certainly no where near as hyperbolic and ridiculoulsy exagerrated as the OP-- not insulting, no name-calling, yet **Rex** sees ā€œWhat would you do in different circumstancesā€ as over the line, yet the vitrol in the OP is A-OK. Thatā€™s probably because **RexDart** is a skeevy pipe-smoking, nipple-twisting, buggery git. As for **Ace** _and_ his detractors-- all of you overreacted. Thatā€™s why I asked the questions I did. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Cynical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee59a6/32.png) [@Mr.Cynical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Cynical)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/71 "2002-12-04T00:16:40Z")
**~!** ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/72 "2002-12-04T00:27:19Z")
Iā€™ll bet you wouldnā€™t be complaining so loud if it was Cameron Diaz calling you up and begging for sex, would you? (I have no idea what that proves, but it sounds good.) ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/73 "2002-12-04T00:28:45Z")
I would, i mean, 15 times last night was enough! ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/74 "2002-12-04T00:31:20Z")
Yeah, unsolicited wrong-gendered booty calls in the middle of the night are creepy. Iā€™m with you there. Sadly, your reputation and past posts on this board cloud my judgement of you. I say you shouldā€™ve taken him up on the offer he probably wouldā€™ve made a man out of you. Good luck on that whole hypermasculine thing. Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Plavacek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f05b48/32.png) [@Plavacek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plavacek)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/75 "2002-12-04T01:11:34Z")
**Biggirl** pardon me, Iā€™ll be playing a card from your deck. **Esprix** , it is my sincere hope that this > [@](#): > > I say you shouldā€™ve taken him up on the offer he probably wouldā€™ve made a man out of you. was some vile attempt at a joke. A horrendous failure in that case, but almost excusable. Supposing a woman of questionable worth, with whom you were only barely acquainted, called you at midnight, asking you for sex, and you refused and griped about it here, would I or anyone else with a grain of politeness in them have the right to say ā€œYou should have gone with her, she would have made a man out of youā€ ? Such a comment would be interpreted as totally homophobic, blasted from mountain high to valley low. It would probably wind up in someoneā€™s ā€œreputations and past posts on this boardā€. If you really have a beef with Ace, or he really has such a history, time to hit the old cite-o-rific, I think. Iā€™m with RexDart, I suppose. Even lurking these holier-than-thou threads is getting painful. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/76 "2002-12-04T01:27:24Z")
Cā€™mon peopleā€¦ Maybe some posters overreacted, but when someone uses the phrase ā€œskeevy pipe-smokerā€ I donā€™t think itā€™s out of line to think they may be a homophobe. If I used the N word, people would be justified to consider me a racist. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e495f1/32.png) [@The\_Ace\_of\_Swords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Ace_of_Swords)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/77 "2002-12-04T03:11:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\*Yeah, unsolicited wrong-gendered booty calls in the middle of the night are creepy. Iā€™m with you there. > > Sadly, your reputation and past posts on this board cloud my judgement of you. I say you shouldā€™ve taken him up on the offer he probably wouldā€™ve made a man out of you. > > Esprix \*\* Holy fuck, thatā€™s a vile, jerky comment. What kind of asshole are you? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/78 "2002-12-04T03:18:06Z")
Ace: You didnā€™t happen to watch that Spider-man dancing thing that somebody posted a link to a few months ago, did you? That might be the problem. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/79 "2002-12-04T03:58:01Z")
**Ace** , heā€™s clearly the same kind of asshole as me. Because I sure as holy _fuck_ donā€™t see what was vile and jerky and assholish. ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2002, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042/80 "2002-12-04T05:41:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Biggirl \* > \*\*Ridiculously exaggerated? You know, a person asks a relevant, calm question-- certainly no where near as hyperbolic and ridiculoulsy exagerrated as the OP-- not insulting, no name-calling, yet **Rex** sees ā€œWhat would you do in different circumstancesā€ as over the line, yet the vitrol in the OP is A-OK. > . \*\* Well, in this case ā€œwhat would you do in different circumstancesā€ **WASNā€™T THE FUCKING QUESTION** , was it?? The OP popped in to bitch about something, the very fucking purpose of the Pit in its glorious essence, and people saw fit to make a fucking issue out of stupid shit like that. The reason I see this going too far is that it **HAS** gone too far, too many fucking times to count, in the last few months. Canā€™t you see that?? Anything even remotely touching the third rail that is homosexuality on this board has turned otherwise civil people into monsters lately. Since Iā€™m approaching drunk and have Bowieā€™s _Diamond Dogs_ in the stereo, I have better things to do than go on with this šŸ˜‰ But I know that others on this board see the problem emerging as I do, the problem that has emerged over this last half year. People must be freed to Pit rant about something without getting the spotlight interrogation from the special interest groups of the SDMB. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-im-still-not-gay-but-thanks/140042.md?page=5)