# Sorry, maybe I'm naive, but I don't view all men as potential rapists or predators. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 20, 2017, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159 "2017-11-20T05:00:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/21 "2017-11-20T13:25:32Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > Back in the hunter gatherer days. The best hunters got their pick of the women. That’s the commonly accepted fairy story, anyway…some anthropologists disagree, and think we were more bonobo than chimp. Sexually speaking. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/22 "2017-11-20T13:42:08Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Emphasis added. I took “minorities” in the first post WITHIN THE CONTEXT of the whole post. IOW not “minorities” as in racial/ethnic groups, but “minorities” in relation to the two “majorities” DofD had just cited. > > DofD said _“The vast MAJORITY of men aren’t”_ etc. _“Just like the vast MAJORITY of women don’t lie”_ etc. Then _“It’s the MINORITIES who ruin”_ etc. Get it? > > DUCKofDEATH did not state this well, and it was guaranteed that someone would jump on the word “minorities.” Look, I hate to burst your bubble, but he also threw “bell curve” in there. That stand alone sentence about minorities wasn’t poorly phrased or an accident. Get it? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/23 "2017-11-20T13:48:07Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > But all men _are_ potential rapists. And all women _are_ potential desecrators of a corpse. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/24 "2017-11-20T13:58:49Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > But, when it comes to any man where you don’t know, there is a 1 in 20 chance they are a rapist. That’s just fact. Can someone link to where this fact is given? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/25 "2017-11-20T14:14:25Z")
Maybe I’m naive, but I don’t view all women as potential fake rape victims. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/26 "2017-11-20T14:23:22Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > I wonder if it is as true as it seems that men with power and/or money are more likely to be serial sexual predators than us ordinary blokes. That would be bad news, because it would mean that most of us men \*want \*to, but only the rich and powerful feel like they can probably get away with it. That is a disturbing thought. I think a lot of people with power and/or wealth are risk takers. They push the envelop; they try to become movie stars or famous athletes, they invest their life savings in starting a business, or they run for political office. Lots of people fail at those things, too, and it can impact their whole lives, but we don’t notice them or think about that side of the coin very often. The ones we do notice have been rewarded for their risk-taking. Add that bit of positive reinforcement and I wouldn’t be surprised if rich and powerful men were more like to push the envelop in personal and sexual matters, too. So no, I don’t think every man wants to but only some think they can get away with it. Some people have a boom-or-bust mentality, and we only see the ones who got the boom. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/27 "2017-11-20T15:03:30Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > Look, I hate to burst your bubble, but he also threw “bell curve” in there. That stand alone sentence about minorities wasn’t poorly phrased or an accident. Get it? Oh yeah. I absolutely get it. Give me a break. You’re hearing a dog whistle where there wasn’t any. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/28 "2017-11-20T15:14:24Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I realize that a lot of women do, and based on their life experiences, it can almost make sense, if they grew up with abuse. Yes, I do live in the real world, but I don’t go to, for instance, the grocery store, and think that the man down the aisle actually wants to rape me. > > … It has come to the point today where my only response can be. \*\*Thank you. It is nice to hear it. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/29 "2017-11-20T15:19:06Z")
> [@DUCKofDEATH](#): > > As with everything in life, it’s a bell curve. The vast majority of men aren’t rapists or latent rapists. Just like the vast majority of women don’t lie about rape. > > It’s the minorities who ruin it for everybody else. This might be the most poorly worded response ever, at least I hope so. Did you mean to say the \*\*exceptions \*\*where you used **minorities**? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/30 "2017-11-20T15:19:08Z")
All men are potential rapists. So are all women, but the actual is much much higher for men. I don’t blame women for considering that all men could be a threat, but it’s nice to hear that some (probably most) realize that not all men are actually a threat. And to my fellow men out there, cut out the fucking shit already! I don’t like women looking at me like I’m some sort of creep just because I’m a man, but they have to do that because of you assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/31 "2017-11-20T15:32:35Z")
My take: Humans are predatory by nature, an instinct that has been damped down over millennia by the advent of societal living and the mores that have been instilled in us with varying degrees of success. It wasn’t all that long ago that women were fair game and treated as chattel and worse, and it is still that way in some parts of the world. When societal norms and laws are no longer observed, like in a country where warring factions have taken over, people often revert to savagery and predatory behavior. In ‘civilized’ countries like ours, the echos of that mindset manifest themselves in some men in the form of varying degrees of sexual aggression, from seemingly harmless touches to groping. Non-resistance is taken by these men as permission, and things can escalate. Women are well-advised to slap that shit down immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/32 "2017-11-20T15:33:13Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Emphasis added. I took “minorities” in the first post WITHIN THE CONTEXT of the whole post. IOW not “minorities” as in racial/ethnic groups, but “minorities” in relation to the two “majorities” DofD had just cited. > > DofD said _“The vast MAJORITY of men aren’t”_ etc. _“Just like the vast MAJORITY of women don’t lie”_ etc. Then _“It’s the MINORITIES who ruin”_ etc. Get it? > > DUCKofDEATH did not state this well, and it was guaranteed that someone would jump on the word “minorities.” I would agree with this. It’s the troll hysteria that permeates this board that taints otherwise innocent statements with trolltracks. For chriasesakes people, trolls don’t play their hand in one post, they build to it by sucking people into their troll, not offending them. If it’s a one post “troll”, it’s the jerk card you want to play, not the troll card. Either way, it doesn’t appear to apply here. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/33 "2017-11-20T15:42:22Z")
> [@DUCKofDEATH](#): > > As with everything in life, it’s a bell curve. The vast majority of men aren’t rapists or latent rapists. Just like the vast majority of women don’t lie about rape. > > _It’s the minorities who ruin it for everybody else._ \*italics mine)Look-It thinks it’s clever. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/34 "2017-11-20T15:45:14Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Oh yeah. I absolutely get it. Give me a break. Have you visited the Omnibus Troll thread recently? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/35 "2017-11-20T16:10:23Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > You’re hearing a dog whistle where there wasn’t any. [You sure about that?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20612544#post20612544) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/36 "2017-11-20T16:52:14Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [You sure about that?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20612544#post20612544) More [Minority Reports](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20612701&postcount=374) from our new poster. **Thelma** : Do you still want to defend him? ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/37 "2017-11-20T17:11:29Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > More [Minority Reports](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20612701&postcount=374) from our new poster. > > **Thelma** : Do you still want to defend him? _\_ I was addressing the content of one post. Period. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/38 "2017-11-20T17:16:38Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > _\_ > > I was addressing the content of one post. Period. So, the fact that it’s been whistling since at least its third post (see link in my previous post) has zero bearing? ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/39 "2017-11-20T18:08:49Z")
This thread is rich in The Crazy. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159/40 "2017-11-20T18:18:21Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > _\_ > > I was addressing the content of one post. Period. Suit yourself. But it seems rather silly to look at what might seem ambiguous on its own when it doesn’t seem ambiguous in the context of more posts. Plus, some of us had seen other posts before that one, so it was never just “one post”. One final note: it was “minorities”, not “minority”, above. But like I said… suit yourself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sorry-maybe-im-naive-but-i-dont-view-all-men-as-potential-rapists-or-predators/802159.md?page=3)