# "Sound of Freedom" - anyone seen this movie, and if so, what did you think? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies\ **Created:** [July 20, 2023, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278 "2023-07-20T01:41:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/41 "2023-08-04T19:18:31Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > And some of the folks who funded it are allegedly not good people. [‘Sound of Freedom’ Funder Fabian Marta Arrested For Child Kidnapping](https://www.newsweek.com/sound-freedom-funder-fabian-marta-arrest-child-kidnapping-1817498) What is it, that so many people against “something” are actually guilty of it? I used to think it was a funny putdown, but it seems de rigueur now. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/42 "2023-08-04T19:29:34Z")
Missouri Casenet has him listed with a LOT of speeding tickets and a divorce in 2014. I get the impression that it was a custody dispute, which doesn’t make it right either. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/43 "2023-08-04T20:44:05Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > I get the impression that it was a custody dispute Which is, AIUI, the absolutely most common form of child abduction. As opposed to what the makers of this film would like you to believe. That children are being abducted so they can be tortured for their Adrenochrome that Hillary Clinton needs to stay young and being led through the secret tunnels, that strangely are not there when a Republican is in office, so ‘Sleepy Joe’ can molest them. > **[‘Adrenochrome’: QAnon’s Imaginary Drug Hollywood Is ‘Harvesting’ From Kids](https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-qanon-became-obsessed-with-adrenochrome-an-imaginary-drug-hollywood-is-harvesting-from-kids)** > > Followers of the pro-Trump conspiracy theory QAnon believe Hollywood and Democratic elites take a psychedelic drug called Adrenochrome harvested from the fear of children. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/44 "2023-08-04T21:32:55Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > And some of the folks who funded it are allegedly not good people. [‘Sound of Freedom’ Funder Fabian Marta Arrested For Child Kidnapping](https://www.newsweek.com/sound-freedom-funder-fabian-marta-arrest-child-kidnapping-1817498) I initially thought this was one of the executive producers, but it appears to be one of the crowd-source folks, of which there were hundreds or thousands. I mean, that could happen to any crowd-sourced production. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/45 "2023-08-04T21:35:55Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I mean, that could happen to any crowd-sourced production. I suppose so, as long as you never bother to find out who your donors are. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/46 "2023-08-04T21:37:32Z")
Correct. Probably 99% of missing children in the U.S. are teenage runaways, and out of the other 1%, perhaps 99% of those are indeed intra-family abductions. Some are justified (i.e. getting a child out of an abusive situation) but some are not. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/47 "2023-08-04T21:44:17Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I suppose so, as long as you never bother to find out who your donors are. Do projects bother to find out who their donors are? I know people who crowdfunded Psychonauts 2 and MST3K(both times) and it would not shock me on those projects if the long list of donations included some kind of criminal. They get a ton of donors. No idea how many donated to Sound of Freedom, though. I think real news would be if the writer, director, executive producer, or lead actor were charged with a crime related to child trafficking. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2023, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/48 "2023-08-04T22:32:13Z")
You are right. Any large batch of apples will probable contain a bad one now and then. But this adrenochrome talk sounds about as convincing as the pizzagate scandal, and Jim “Jesus” Caviezal seems to be buying into it. He’s a key player in this film. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2023, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/49 "2023-08-05T01:51:09Z")
Before the recent Q nonsense, my two prior referents to adrenochrome were _Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas_ (Dr. Gonzo introduces Raoul Duke to something he claims to be that, and which is the apparent mass-culture point of entry of the “sourced from living humans” myth (\*)) and _A Clockwork Orange_ where it is implicit in one of the milk-plus blends, “Moloko Drencrom”. (\* it has been synthetized since the mid 20th century and anyway it’s made by chemically processing epinephrine (adrenalin), it is not itself directly extracted from living beings) So it’s really a rehashing of a 1960s “grail” drug as _imagined_ by many. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnyEcks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnnyecks/32/18197_2.png) [@JohnnyEcks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnnyEcks)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2023, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/50 "2023-08-05T14:15:44Z")
Something I’ve never heard mentioned before is that the whole Q Anon Adrenachrome thing is lifted from the 1969 Hugo award nominated novel “Bug Jack Baron”. The only difference is that the book used organ transplants from children as the youth serum instead of blood. These guys are all just Larping half remembered pop-culture. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2023, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/51 "2023-08-06T20:10:00Z")
I imagine that the notion of harvesting young bodies to preserve the youth of a rich elite is as old as dirt. It’s not fundamentally any different than the stories of Elizabeth Bathory bathing in the blood of virgins, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2023, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/52 "2023-08-07T01:29:17Z")
Or the old antisemitic blood libel. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2023, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/53 "2023-08-07T03:10:23Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I imagine that the notion of harvesting young bodies to preserve the youth of a rich elite is as old as dirt. It’s not fundamentally any different than the stories of Elizabeth Bathory bathing in the blood of virgins, for instance. Yeah, I mean I think Kim Il Sung allegedly(?) attempted blood transfusions from young people into himself to invigorate himself and extend his life. Didn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2023, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/54 "2023-08-07T14:42:25Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Correct. > > Probably 99% of missing children in the U.S. are teenage runaways, and out of the other 1%, perhaps 99% of those are indeed intra-family abductions. Some are justified (i.e. getting a child out of an abusive situation) but some are not. I know you aren’t trying for scientific accuracy but you probably aren’t far off. The thing that pisses me off about this aspect of the Q nonsense is it masks the real issue of sex trafficking. Those runaways leave due to mental health issues, drug abuse or family trauma/abuse or some combination. Traffickers prey upon them because they are vulnerable. There is no need to snatch anyone. There are portions of organized crime that bring victims in from other countries mostly under false pretenses and use them as sex slaves. What isn’t happening is the Hollywood Jewish blood sucking conspiracy. Now that I’m thinking about it, maybe Johnny Depp should change the name of his band. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2023, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/55 "2023-08-07T17:23:47Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Or the old antisemitic blood libel. I don’t think that’s quite the same-- I’m no expert on anti-Semitism, but as I understood it, the Blood Libel didn’t claim that Jews were drinking children’s blood for some specific concrete benefit, but just because they were EEE-VIL. Though that does match more closely to some of the modern Q claims. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2023, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/56 "2023-08-07T22:41:02Z")
It’s Iowa State Fair time, and while this story is very hard to find online, in 1986, when the kidnapping “craze” was at its peak, a teenage boy disappeared from the fair (and long story made short, turned up a few days later in California; he’d taken a cab to the airport and purchased a plane ticket with cash, and was hitchhiking when he ran out of money and was picked up by a man who persuaded him to turn himself in). Anyway, I worked with a man who sincerely believed that he’d been chloroformed and sold into child pornography. Oh, yeah, like someone’s going to do THAT at a crowded fairgrounds. A man I knew who worked for the Fairgrounds police force said that an appropriate punishment for the boy would have been to make him wear the “MISSING” t-shirts that were printed up, and nothing else, until they all wore out. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/57 "2023-08-08T05:31:46Z")
Vice has an article about how actual survivors of human trafficking (and advocates) are being harassed by fans of the film. > **[Trafficking Survivors and Advocates Are Being Harassed by ‘Sound of Freedom’...](https://www.vice.com/en/article/epvbyz/trafficking-survivors-and-advocates-are-being-harassed-by-sound-of-freedom-fans)** > > Survivor leaders in the anti-trafficking movement are attempting to confront the issues around the surprise blockbuster film – and facing a hail of invective in the process. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2023, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/58 "2023-08-08T11:33:58Z")
The number of people in thread actually giving props to this movie is like a punch to the gut. I thought this place was immune from such nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/59 "2023-08-09T07:18:33Z")
There there, the “props” I’m seeing here are basically along the lines of “good, although/even if not factual”. Propaganda by shitty people with shitty agendas can still be good, and sometimes even great, cinema. (See also: Triumph of the Will.) ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2023, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278/60 "2023-08-09T09:38:23Z")
Agree. I haven’t seen it yet. But if I do, I will simply assume it’s fiction. The controversy is that some viewers believe (or are lead to believe by conspiracy theorists) it represents a real situation that’s going on right now. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sound-of-freedom-anyone-seen-this-movie-and-if-so-what-did-you-think/987278.md?page=4)