South Asian and some Middle East leaders aversion to ties

Thats not a hybrid, thats a fairly typical Iranian businesswear.

Seriously, most people here seem to think thats clothes are “western”, and rhat everyone else wore leaves and hides. :rolleyes:

I don’t dispute that, but the jacket is clearly derived from the Western-style suit. Here’s a better view.

Linky no worky.

My link? Try this.

That one works, but doesn’t really show what I assume you wanted it to.

What do you want to see? The suits worn look identical to Western suits to me.

They look like amorphous black coat-type things to me. I see a deep front V like a western suit, but otherwise you can’t see any details in that image.

Iranians don’t wear ties at the order of the Ayatollah, because it spreads western culture.

As said, Modi’s dress is a sleevless neru jacket.

It’s not a semi-western thing, it’s a cultural dress consistent with their own values.

Here’s a better picture then. From left to right: a man in “traditional” Iranian dress, a man in a Western (or South Korean!) suit and a man wearing what I would describe as a Western suit with a Nehru/mandarin-style collar shirt.

I’m no expert on Persian/Iranian traditional dress, so I’m not sure how widely the “traditional” Iranian dress in the photo is worn beyond clerical/religious scholar types (and Iran having the political set-up it does, it is these types of people that are heavily involved in government).

Okay, let’s assume you’re right. For one thing, “traditional dress” is not one look in most countries, any more than jeans and a t-shirt is “traditional dress” in the US. Second, most of the elements of the modern lounge suit are drawn from South Asian (and Iranian/Persian) clothing, which were subsequently adopted in military uniforms. So there’s nothing particularly “Western” about a lounge coat. With matching trousers, Oxford shirt and tie, sure.

Here’s an old photo of some Persian officials. On the right of the photo one can see some traditional jackets and they have Nehru collars, unlike the suit worn by the Iranian Foreign Minister in the photo (the guy on the right), which is complete with Western-suit style notched lapels, pin-stripes and flower buttonhole.

That’s an interesting fact - I didn’t know the tie was prohibited in Iran by official decree. Here’s a BBC article on the subject.

Saw an Iranian movie where this was a plot point.

Dad in the family, a businessman, belongs to the current establishment, and so consequently never wears a tie. His son, the main character, does however wear a tie from time to time, rebel that he is (well relatively speaking). At one point, Sr. confronts Jr. about it, and the son says something like “it’s not about whatcha got here [gestures to the tie area], but about whatcha got here [gestures towards his heart].”

I saw this film in an Iranian cinema back in 2004 or so, I think this was in Esfahan - and I swear to God I have never seen an audience go fucking bananas like that before. Rapturous applause, whistling, shouting, standing ovation, cries of joy - they fucking loved it.

Anyway I’m told the film was banned shortly afterwards.

That’s quite a reversal of Western convention when the tie is a symbol of non-conformist rebellion!

Back in the 19th C. when Western men wore frock coats, the Turks improved it with tailoring and embroidery into what was called a 'Stambouli coat. The steampunkers have understandably revived it.
The Phillipine barong, a lacy see-through shirt, well-tailored and worn untucked, loses all its fashion points for the tucked-in t-shirt.

Maybe they don’t want something that looks like a dong hanging on their neck.

I used to hate ties, but they’ve grown on me, bowties have directed that old hate on themselves.

Formal business attire in Asia does not (necessarily) include a tie. It’s just that easy.

An N.P.R. story about Jafar Panahi today mentioned that the Iranian government mandates that only villains can be shown wearing ties in movies.

In the one hand, yeah, it’s censorship. But on the other—it’s a pretty good rule of life. The guy in the tie is probably the bad guy. :smiley: