# South Cacalacky gets even luckier. Now the Christian Aryans want to secede **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 22, 2006, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407 "2006-10-22T03:46:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/1 "2006-10-22T03:46:33Z")
A few years back I started [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=258328) thread about a group of “Christians” who were plotting to facilitate the secession of South Carolina. I haven’t really followed up as to the fate of that particular group since then, but a recent [article](http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A142269) in an alternative Atlanta-area paper regarding (allegedly) Christian white supremacists gave me that deja vous feeling. It is a rather long (and disturbing) article but worth the read, imho. Here’s a little sample: > [@](#): > > For years, Aryan Nations aspired to have an uprising in the Northwest, and turn five states into, literally, The Aryan Nation. With the group staggering from the double whammy of litigation and factionalism, the new goal is more modest: South Carolina. > > Aryan Nations’ Washington leader, who gave only his first name, Paul, is 60-ish and has a British accent from 25 years in England. Paul outlined possible strategies for the group: establishing a state in Alaska (“few minorities,” he said), or a wholesale “South will rise again.” Both of those he discounted as impractical, although certainly worthy. > > In the end, Paul observed, the best option is to “look at the secession of South Carolina. Start with this state.” So what’s the deal? Is South Carolina running a special for batshit crazy, woefully ignorant, secession plotting sociopaths or something? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/2 "2006-10-22T04:04:03Z")
IIRC, South Carolina tried succession once already. It ended badly. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/2bfe46/32.png) [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Carter_of_Mars)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/3 "2006-10-22T04:08:10Z")
> [@ComeToThe DarkSideWehaveCookies](#): > > So what’s the deal? Is South Carolina running a special for batshit crazy, woefully ignorant, secession plotting sociopaths or something? Knowing a fair number of people in South Carolina, I’d say not. Just because some WDC based nut-job decides it would be a good idea for SC to break away doesn’t mean that the general population of the Palmetto State favors such a move. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/4 "2006-10-22T04:31:33Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] So what’s the deal? Is South Carolina running a special for batshit crazy, woefully ignorant, secession plotting sociopaths or something? [/QUOTE] Eh, no more than Montana. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/5 "2006-10-22T05:07:58Z")
Hijack: “Palmetto State?” So are they nicknamed after a candy bar or a cockroach? [/end hijack] ---
**Author:** ![633squadron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/6/ee59a6/32.png) [@633squadron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/633squadron)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/6 "2006-10-22T05:09:30Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] IIRC, South Carolina tried succession once already. It ended badly. [/QUOTE] South Carolina tried secession at least once _before_ the Civil War. I’m not quite sure what the heck is going on with SC, but they seem to have been out of step with the rest of the United States from the beginning. In their defense, however, I don’t see much chance that SC is going to do anything now. What we should do is get these loons to take Florida out of the Union. Heck, I will personally give up my share of that state (due to me as a citizen of the United States), and I encourage my fellow Dopers to do the same. Between the craziness of the Cuban\_Americans in southern Florida, the Miami Beach retirees who insist on starting across the street when the light _turns red_, and the inability of anyone down there to understand _how to vote_… I would not miss the place. I live in California; we have pretty decent oranges here, too. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/7 "2006-10-22T05:13:33Z")
[QUOTE=John Carter of Mars] Knowing a fair number of people in South Carolina, I’d say not. Just because some WDC based nut-job decides it would be a good idea for SC to break away doesn’t mean that the general population of the Palmetto State favors such a move. [/QUOTE] I think that guy came from Washington State, not D.C. Not too many white supremacists around here. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/8 "2006-10-22T05:35:02Z")
[QUOTE=John Carter of Mars] Knowing a fair number of people in South Carolina, I’d say not. Just because some WDC based nut-job decides it would be a good idea for SC to break away doesn’t mean that the general population of the Palmetto State favors such a move. [/QUOTE] Duly noted. I certainly don’t hold the general citizenry of South Carolina responsible for thier apparent attractiveness to the scum of the earth. Maybe a collective change of deodorant or shampoo is called for… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/9 "2006-10-22T06:01:43Z")
[aside] Never heard the expression “South Cacalacky” before. Derivation? [/aside] ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/10 "2006-10-22T06:12:09Z")
AFAIK, it’s [Cackalacky] just a set of nonsense syllables for “Carolina”, that caught on, much the same way “Scandahoovian” is generally recognized slang for"Scandanavian". ---
**Author:** ![T\_SQUARE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9de053/32.png) [@T\_SQUARE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T_SQUARE)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/11 "2006-10-22T06:57:01Z")
I I was from South Carolina, I’d be deeply ashamed. Now what’s all this about leaving the Union? ---
**Author:** ![lokij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/5e9695/32.png) [@lokij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lokij)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/12 "2006-10-22T07:00:43Z")
What is that famous quote… “South Carolina is too small to be a country and too large to be an insane asylum.”- James Petigru I doubt the South Carolinians will welcome these guys in quite the manner that they think. ;\> ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/13 "2006-10-22T07:25:28Z")
[QUOTE=633squadron] South Carolina tried secession at least once _before_ the Civil War. I’m not quite sure what the heck is going on with SC, but they seem to have been out of step with the rest of the United States from the beginning. In their defense, however, I don’t see much chance that SC is going to do anything now. What we should do is get these loons to take Florida out of the Union. Heck, I will personally give up my share of that state (due to me as a citizen of the United States), and I encourage my fellow Dopers to do the same. Between the craziness of the Cuban\_Americans in southern Florida, the Miami Beach retirees who insist on starting across the street when the light _turns red_, and the inability of anyone down there to understand _how to vote_… I would not miss the place. I live in California; we have pretty decent oranges here, too. [/QUOTE] Hell, if we get to vote on who the nutbars take over and take out of the union, I vote for that stinking shithole known as Texas. There’s a few decent folks there but really, it’s too full of rat bastards to be worth saving overall. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/14 "2006-10-22T21:44:53Z")
[QUOTE=kaylasdad99] Hijack: “Palmetto State?” So are they nicknamed after a candy bar or a cockroach? [/end hijack] [/QUOTE] I’ve never heard of a palmetto candy bar or cockroach, but the palmetto is the [state tree](http://www.scstatehouse.net/studentpage/tree.htm) of South Carolina. It is on the state flag and the state seal. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/15 "2006-10-22T22:00:01Z")
> [@](#): > > I’ve never heard of a palmetto . . . cockroach Nah. [Palmetto](http://www.dudeface.com/pbdefinit.html) [bug](http://www.ext.vt.edu/pubs/entomology/444-288/444-288.html). (This being the Pit, any uncomplimentary story regarding any state will be followed by numerous posts attacking the residents of the state (even if, as here, the residents have nothing to do with promoting the idiocy being Pitted), followed by a number of further posts excoriating the citizens of other states, just to let those posters with blocked bile ducts get some out of their system. ---
**Author:** ![David\_Simmons](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de053/32.png) [@David\_Simmons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_Simmons)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/16 "2006-10-22T23:02:30Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] Hell, if we get to vote on who the nutbars take over and take out of the union, I vote for that stinking shithole known as Texas. There’s a few decent folks there but really, it’s too full of rat bastards to be worth saving overall. [/QUOTE] Two lions escaped from a circus in Texas. They decided to split up so as to be able to hide a little better and meet again in a month. When they met one of them as fat, sassy and in excellent condition. The other was skinny, ribs showing and half starved. “My God, what have you been eating?” asked fatso. “Texans. How about you?” replied scarecrow. “Texans also. Show me your hunting tecnique.” So the skinny one sneaked around as if hunting a Texan and then charged with a great roar. “Oh you don’t want to roar like that. If you do you scare the shit out of them and then all you’ve got left is a ten gallon hat, a silver belt buckle and a pair of high heeled boots.” ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/17 "2006-10-22T23:12:12Z")
Your profile does not include your location. That is wise. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2006, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/18 "2006-10-22T23:14:04Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] [aside] Never heard the expression “South Cacalacky” before. Derivation? [/aside] [/QUOTE] Sounds racist to me. Like something George Allen might say. ---
**Author:** ![elelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@elelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elelle)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2006, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/19 "2006-10-23T00:03:53Z")
That was an interesting article, worth reading in it’s entirety. A particularly puzzling bit of Aryan Nation thought oddity in the above story: > [@](#): > > In 2005, Hanks ran as a Republican for the Charlotte City Council – until it was revealed that he’d posted 4,000 messages to the racist [stormfront.org](http://stormfront.org) website. He explained that the “real reason” he withdrew was that he’d discovered Republicans as well as Democrats had cloaked lethal plans in innocuous-sounding environmental programs. “Green space,” he said, is a code word used by politicians to hide a scheme that will end with the murder of all but 500 million of the world’s 6.5 billion inhabitants to make room for, mostly, Jews and minorities. “Until we convince people of the evil Israel represents, we’ll never get anywhere,” Hanks said. WTF? Can anyone attempt to explain this? Perhaps these folks **should** be allowed to have their own precious space, apart from all other people, surrounded by barbed wire, and protected from “tainted” food farmed by other races, prepared in restaurants from people of other races, not viewing entertainment created by other races, nor clothing produced by other races, cars produced by…well, you get the idea. Let them produce everything by themselves, with no cotton-pickin’ help. A noble experiment. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2006, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407/20 "2006-10-23T00:20:44Z")
[QUOTE=Boyo Jim] Sounds racist to me. Like something George Allen might say. [/QUOTE] To the best of my knowlege, the worst thing that can be said about “Cackalacky” (apparantly the way I spelled it in my OP’s is the one way that is not accepted as a alternate spelling) is that it is regional slang. [These](http://www.cackalacky.com/facts.htm) folks apparently hold the trademark. > [@elelle](#): > > That was an interesting article, worth reading in it’s entirety. I should have linked to the [additional editorial written by the author.](http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A142310) It is linked at the bottom of the story, and provides even further insight into just how he pulled off this particular stint of investigative journalism. His appearance certainly helped (his picture can be found on the upper right hand corner of both articles), but I can’t imagine what he must have gone through to report on the event. The first few paragraphs: > [@](#): > > My poker face – honed over almost 30 years of interviewing twerps, crooks (corporate and otherwise), political midgets, charlatans (religious and otherwise) and just plain old dumb fucking morons – almost failed me. > > This guy who styles himself “Pastor” Jonathan Williams, the Supreme White Guy of Aryan Nations, was explaining how Jews are the children of Satan. He was deadly serious (and by “deadly” I mean “murderously”). > > I’d dropped in to hear what the Aryans had to say at their “world congress,” held last month in Laurens, S.C. It was a battle to restrain, alternatively, guffaws and tears at what I witnessed from the we-love-to-hate folks. > > My internal voice No. 1 told me: “Maybe this First Amendment thing has gone a little too far.” > > No. 2 responded: “Nah, either defend the most loathsome speech, or give George Bush and Faux News an opening to declare dissent as tantamount to treason. Actually, they’ve already done that, so First Amendment-wise, we’re on the defensive. You gotta tell this jerk he has a right to believe and say what he wants.” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-cacalacky-gets-even-luckier-now-the-christian-aryans-want-to-secede/377407.md?page=2)