# South Park 04/09/2008 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 10, 2008, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733 "2008-04-10T04:47:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/21 "2008-04-10T13:52:54Z")
That near final line was not meant to be taken seriously, it was said by the dumbest, most screwed up character on the show. He gets nearly everything wrong nearly every time. If Mr. Garrison said it, then it means Trey and Matt don’t believe it. I am sorry, I try not to do this, but \*\*SSG Schwartz \*\* you got whooshed big time and by one that seemed extremely obvious to me. That said, I did not enjoy this episode much. The penis jokes where dumb and only the Patriots jabs were funny. ---
**Author:** ![Caffeine.addict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@Caffeine.addict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caffeine.addict)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/22 "2008-04-10T13:59:37Z")
I think that the point that they were trying to make with that line is that because there is more to gender identity than the ability to have a child. The inspiration comes from [Thomas Beatie](http://www.advocate.com/issue_story_ektid52664.asp). I think that the point they were making was that just because you can bear a child doesn’t mean that you are a man or a woman. Remember, that the Garrison character has never been shown to be all that intelligent or anything other than a bigot. ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@Lady\_of\_the\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lady_of_the_Lake)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/23 "2008-04-10T14:01:41Z")
[QUOTE=SSG Schwartz] Fuck you Trey and Matt. No really, fuck you. I wanted to watch and comment in CS, but I really can’t. Apparently, according to the dumbasses that write the show, I should have an AIDS test and am a “faggot” because **babygirl** and I cannot have children. I have never seen them directly attack any other group. Most of the shows I have seen, and I will admit I haven’t seen them all, they make fun of prejudice. I really would like to know how fucking far down they have dipped in the ratings to make it seem like someone with ovarian cancer should be the set up for a joke and the person who married her should be branded as a homosexual (not that there is anything wrong with that.) SSG Schwartz [/QUOTE] I thought they were attacking the people who think that marriage is for the sole purpose of bearing children. And thus only a man and woman should marry (because they can have children! God says to be fruitful and multiply! And condoms are bad! And that’s why gay people shouldn’t get married and we must stop them at all costs…er right, because they can’t have children.) But that view doesn’t really mesh with the reality of married couples, many of whom can’t or choose not to have children, and it doesn’t make your marriage less valid or you less of a man or your wife less of a woman. They were switching of genders and being absurd in that way just to take that thought process to the absurd. Er…at least that’s what I’d thought they were doing. But then I always assume they’re actually promoting one to think seriously about the opposite view if the opinion is being pushed by Cartman or Mr. Garrison or…half the town. (Unless it’s about Hippies) ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/24 "2008-04-10T14:02:43Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] This is the same Mr Garrison who once recommended getting some fags and tying them to the back of a truck and having a “good old fashioned fag drag” for chrissakes [/QUOTE] The same Mr. Garrison who, every year when asked what they should do with the Christmas money answers with, “Get rid of all the Mexicans.” The same Mr. Garrison who, once they got rid of all the rich black people and someone pointed out the hypocrisy of selling the vacant houses and making lots of money answered with, “Well, at least we got rid of all the nig…” Yeah, you take the show too seriously. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/25 "2008-04-10T14:26:08Z")
[QUOTE=SSG Schwartz] Apparently, according to the dumbasses that write the show, I should have an AIDS test and am a “faggot” because **babygirl** and I cannot have children. [/QUOTE] Recalibrate irony meter and restart the operating system. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/26 "2008-04-10T14:28:55Z")
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright] Getting offended by South Park is like getting offended by someone with Tourette’s. [/QUOTE] [“I’ve got a golden ticket . . .”](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Petit_Tourette) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/27 "2008-04-10T15:34:22Z")
Mr. Garrison’s gay bashing is supposed to be taken the same way as when Cartman says stuff about Jews. The intent is to _ridicule_ those characters, not to sympathize with them. One of Mr. Garrison’s defining characteristics is that he is a hypocritical homophobe. The final line last night was intended to show that he was all the way back to his normal, asshole self. Just as with Cartman, the audience is supposed to laugh AT him, not WITH him. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/28 "2008-04-10T15:38:23Z")
Yeah, it was pretty clear to me they were ridiculing Garrison, and not supporting that ridiculous viewpoint. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/29 "2008-04-10T17:19:14Z")
[QUOTE=FriarTed] Well, apparently I missed tonight’s repeat broadcast. Now I gotta find the next repeat. Heck, do a SP search here and see how it’s always so funny & dead-on in its attacks until it gets personal. ESPECIALLY the Mr. Garrison sex-change episode. [/QUOTE] Anybody who missed the episode can watch it legally, and for free, at [www.southparkstudios.com](http://www.southparkstudios.com) which is Comedy Central’s official South Park site. They have every episode of South Park ever aired. And did I mention it’s completely legal and free? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/30 "2008-04-10T18:30:59Z")
You leave Trey and Matt alone! (sob…) They work so\* hard!\* They give and give, and you just take…(blubber)…you think its easy being all edgy as you creep into your thirties!..just leave them alone!.. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/31 "2008-04-10T18:42:07Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] You leave Trey and Matt alone! (sob..) They work so\* hard!\* They give and give, and you just take…(blubber)…you think its easy being all edgy as you creep into your thirties!..just leave them alone!.. [/QUOTE] Along with sneezing panda! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/32 "2008-04-10T18:48:56Z")
…Maya heeeee Maya huuuuuu Maya hoooooo Maya ha ha… ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/33 "2008-04-10T19:10:22Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] One of Mr. Garrison’s defining characteristics is that he is a hypocritical homophobe. [/QUOTE] But now that he’s a man again, is he still gay? Or is he a male lesbian, because he used to be a woman who slept with women, or straight, or…oy, so confused… ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/34 "2008-04-10T19:34:42Z")
[QUOTE=Max Torque] But now that he’s a man again, is he still gay? Or is he a male lesbian, because he used to be a woman who slept with women, or straight, or…oy, so confused… [/QUOTE] Well he didn’t seem to mind when he grabbed the guy’s penis in the steam room, and he didn’t immediately let go… ---
**Author:** ![Antinor01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecae2f/32.png) [@Antinor01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antinor01)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/35 "2008-04-10T19:41:03Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] Well he didn’t seem to mind when he grabbed the guy’s penis in the steam room, and he didn’t immediately let go… [/QUOTE] He was still a she at that point, so it was ok. Or something like that. Keeping up with what Garrison is/wants/hates et al makes my head hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/36 "2008-04-10T19:55:21Z")
[QUOTE=Antinor01] He was still a she at that point, so it was ok. Or something like that. Keeping up with what Garrison is/wants/hates et al makes my head hurt. [/QUOTE] Good point- I do wonder what he’s going to do about testicles though. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/37 "2008-04-10T20:02:11Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] Good point- I do wonder what he’s going to do about testicles though. [/QUOTE] If you can grow a human penis on a mouse’s back, you can grow testicles on . . . let’s see . . . a plum tree! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/38 "2008-04-10T20:06:37Z")
[QUOTE=Wee Bairn] Good point- I do wonder what he’s going to do about testicles though. [/QUOTE] Especially seeing as how they became black Kyle’s new knees, which he almost immediately blew out. ---
**Author:** ![Snowbear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7bcc69/32.png) [@Snowbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowbear)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/39 "2008-04-10T20:29:39Z")
The thing about South Park is that it’s insulted/attacked/made fun of everyone and anyone. It’s gone from God to hobos (spare some change? No, seriously, I need some for the outrageous gas prices), celebrities to the everyday man, presidents to rednecks (which really isn’t too far of a stretch, all things considered), countries, religions, races, sexualities, you, _and_ me. They’ve been doing this for the near-11 years they’ve been running. Sometimes they end their mockery with a speech about what they’ve learned from the episode, including morals and rights and wrongs and blahblahblah. Sometimes they just don’t give a shit and hope you’re smart enough to realize it’s all for entertainment, and that they attack everyone equally and without mercy. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2008, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733/40 "2008-04-10T20:35:17Z")
[QUOTE=Snowbear] The thing about South Park is that it’s insulted/attacked/made fun of everyone and anyone. It’s gone from God to hobos (spare some change? No, seriously, I need some for the outrageous gas prices), celebrities to the everyday man, presidents to rednecks (which really isn’t too far of a stretch, all things considered), countries, religions, races, sexualities, you, _and_ me. They’ve been doing this for the near-11 years they’ve been running. Sometimes they end their mockery with a speech about what they’ve learned from the episode, including morals and rights and wrongs and blahblahblah. Sometimes they just don’t give a shit and hope you’re smart enough to realize it’s all for entertainment, and that they attack everyone equally and without mercy. [/QUOTE] Hi, welcome to the Dope. That was a good post. To add to your excellent points. It is worth remembering that they have even mocked friends like George Clooney. Jim [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-04-09-2008/444733.md?page=3)