# South Park-3/9 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 10, 2005, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799 "2005-03-10T06:22:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2005, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/21 "2005-03-10T20:05:42Z")
> [@CandidGamera](#): > > I think it was a pretty even-handed, “Realistic” take - what I got from it was pretty much : Some people feel their bodies don’t match their minds, and that’s okay, and they should be tolerated and respected - however, those people have to realize that all they’re getting when they undergo surgery is essentially a cosmetic change. Gerald will never be a real, biological, fully-functional dolphin, and he needs to realize that. Not to belabor the point, but my take on it was that they were using the dolphin and “black” things to underscore the point that you’re not a _real_ woman after sex-change surgery, and as a way of saying, “Look, it’s ridiculous to mutilate your body because you ‘feel’ like something inside - you should live with what God gave you.” I felt like they were using the dolphin and black things as extreme examples in order to make the point. I didn’t get any sense at all of them saying that it’s o.k., and that it should be tolerated and respected. Miss Garrison was mercilessly ridiculed, not respected. And the doctor who performed all the surgeries was portrayed as an unethical, incompetent quack. I don’t agree with them, but that’s my take on what they were trying to say. > [@](#): > > The South Park lads often take the middle-of-the-road approach to issues. I think they’re just as likely to come out on the right-wing or left-wing side of things, but I wouldn’t say they’re always middle-of-the-road. Just unpredictable. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2005, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/22 "2005-03-10T20:10:48Z")
> [@blowero](#): > > Not to belabor the point, but my take on it was that they were using the dolphin and “black” things to underscore the point that you’re not a _real_ woman after sex-change surgery, and as a way of saying, “Look, it’s ridiculous to mutilate your body because you ‘feel’ like something inside - you should live with what God gave you.” When did they mention God in that episode? I must’ve missed it. > [@blowero](#): > > I felt like they were using the dolphin and black things as extreme examples in order to make the point. I didn’t get any sense at all of them saying that it’s o.k., and that it should be tolerated and respected. Miss Garrison was mercilessly ridiculed, not respected. And the doctor who performed all the surgeries was portrayed as an unethical, incompetent quack. Garrison wasn’t respected because he was an asshole about it. I doubt they were trying to say that all TGs are assholes like him. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2005, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/23 "2005-03-10T21:21:26Z")
> [@Lord Ashtar](#): > > When did they mention God in that episode? I must’ve missed it. Hmmm…I thought it was pretty clear that that was _my take_ on what they were saying, not a direct quote. AFAIK, they didn’t mention God in the episode, but they did mention something about people living with the bodies they have. The quotes indicated: _here’s what they seemed to be saying_. Sorry, but I couldn’t think of a better way to indicate that. > [@](#): > > Garrison wasn’t respected because he was an asshole about it. I doubt they were trying to say that all TGs are assholes like him. No, I don’t think they were trying to say that all TGs are assholes; I didn’t say that. I just said I never got any sense of them saying that they were in favor of TGism. It may be what people _want_ for them to have said, but I don’t see as how they said that. My take on it was that they seemed pretty clearly _against_ it. ---
**Author:** ![sweetfreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@sweetfreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sweetfreak)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2005, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/24 "2005-03-10T21:30:39Z")
> [@blowero](#): > > No, I don’t think they were trying to say that all TGs are assholes; I didn’t say that. I just said I never got any sense of them saying that they were in favor of TGism. It may be what people _want_ for them to have said, but I don’t see as how they said that. My take on it was that they seemed pretty clearly _against_ it. I guess we will see in the upcoming episodes. Will Mrs. Garrison remain Mrs. Garrison? Gah…I hope not, she is way too annoying. :rolleyes: No woman in her right mind wants a period every month. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2005, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/25 "2005-03-10T21:46:48Z")
> [@blowero](#): > > Hmmm…I thought it was pretty clear that that was _my take_ on what they were saying, not a direct quote. AFAIK, they didn’t mention God in the episode, but they did mention something about people living with the bodies they have. The quotes indicated: _here’s what they seemed to be saying_. Sorry, but I couldn’t think of a better way to indicate that. > No, I don’t think they were trying to say that all TGs are assholes; I didn’t say that. I just said I never got any sense of them saying that they were in favor of TGism. It may be what people _want_ for them to have said, but I don’t see as how they said that. My take on it was that they seemed pretty clearly _against_ it. I think they oppose the _surgery_ but that’s not exactly the same as disagreeing with TG’s, just disagreeing over whether it requires a surgical solution. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2005, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/26 "2005-03-10T22:06:26Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > I think they oppose the _surgery_ but that’s not exactly the same as disagreeing with TG’s, just disagreeing over whether it requires a surgical solution. Yeah, good point. I worded that poorly. Those guys are usually pretty progressive on issues of sexuality, so I agree that they’re probably not against the idea of cross-dressing per se. I _meant_ to say they seem to be against the idea of having _surgery_. I’m probably confusing my definitions. When you guys say “TG”, you aren’t necessarily referring to post-operative. My fault for assuming that. ---
**Author:** ![Odinoneeye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/97f17d/32.png) [@Odinoneeye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odinoneeye)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2005, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/27 "2005-03-10T22:09:44Z")
> [@sweetfreak](#): > > I guess we will see in the upcoming episodes. > Will Mrs. Garrison remain Mrs. Garrison? > Gah…I hope not, she is way too annoying. :rolleyes: > No woman in her right mind wants a period every month. 😛 I would like to point out that Mr/Mrs Garrison has never been portrayed as really being in his/her right mind. I hope this doesn’t mean the end of Mr. Slave. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2005, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/28 "2005-03-10T22:13:49Z")
> [@sweetfreak](#): > > I guess we will see in the upcoming episodes. > Will Mrs. Garrison remain Mrs. Garrison? Yeah, I was thinking about that too. My guess is that Garrison’s statement that she’s o.k. with being a woman isn’t as much an 11th hour concession that it’s o.k. to have surgery, but is more about being a device to try to inteject a little variety into the character, like when he lost Mr. Hat and had Mr. Stick. So if she goes back to being Mr. Garrison on the next episode, we’ll know I’m wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Phantom\_Dennis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/51bf81/32.png) [@Phantom\_Dennis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phantom_Dennis)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2005, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/29 "2005-03-11T05:25:01Z")
I get the feeling that Matt and Trey, having run the gamut of interesting ideas and storylines, are now simply trying to see how fucked-up they can get before they start alienating their fanbase. Running jokes about people losing control of their bowels at death, blood orgies, live-action footage from a sex change operation… what’s next? Not that I won’t be watching with morbid fascination… ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2005, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/30 "2005-03-11T06:59:08Z")
Frankly, I thought the entire episode was hilarious. Especially when Mrs. Garrison wanted an abortion and took offense over not being able to have one. Garrison was hilarious a non-PC gay guy and he was just as funny as a non-PC transgendered sex change person. Just had me rolling. Of course when Kyle went to originally try out for the basketball team, that was pretty funny as well… especially when the ball was like as big as Kyle himself. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2005, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/31 "2005-03-11T08:15:17Z")
> [@adam yax](#): > > WTF is a jewish afro? WHAT!! Have you forgotten [him](http://www.comedystars.com/Bios/_pics/kaplan_gabe.jpg) already!! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2005, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/32 "2005-03-11T16:02:15Z")
I watched the old Towlie episode before this one. I liked Cartman’s _The Outlaw Josey Wales_ reference when he found the tampon. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2005, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/33 "2005-03-11T18:34:29Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > I watched the old Towlie episode before this one. I liked Cartman’s _The Outlaw Josey Wales_ reference when he found the tampon. I thought it was a “Slingblade” reference. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2005, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/34 "2005-03-11T23:34:33Z")
I thought Garrison’s final line, “I’d rather be a woman who can’t have a period than a fag”, was one of the most shocking lines I’d heard on TV. (I wasn’t offended by it… it was more… sad.) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2005, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/35 "2005-03-11T23:54:19Z")
> [@blowero](#): > > The episode seemed to me like a pretty blatant slam on sex-change surgery, and I don’t think they were trying to mitigate it at all. Is nothing sacred? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2005, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/36 "2005-03-12T00:39:52Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > I thought it was a “Slingblade” reference. In _The Outlaw Josey Wales_ Chief Dan George has a piece of hard red candy. ‘It’s not for eatin’ though, it’s just for lookin’ through.’ ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2005, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/37 "2005-03-12T03:28:10Z")
Well, there was a first for me in it. I’d never heard “queef” uttered on TV before. That was worth the price of admission. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2005, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/38 "2005-03-12T03:55:34Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > Well, there was a first for me in it. I’d never heard “queef” uttered on TV before. That was worth the price of admission. I’m pretty sure they used ‘queef’ before. I think it was an episode where another gan of kids were making fun of them because they didn’t know the word. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2005, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/39 "2005-03-12T07:22:41Z")
> [@adam yax](#): > > WTF is a jewish afro? I prefer the term “Isro”. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2005, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799/40 "2005-03-12T08:00:54Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > In _The Outlaw Josey Wales_ Chief Dan George has a piece of hard red candy. ‘It’s not for eatin’ though, it’s just for lookin’ through.’ Okay, It’s been a while so I missed that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-3-9/293799.md?page=1)