# South Park 4/12 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 13, 2006, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473 "2006-04-13T02:31:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/21 "2006-04-13T17:04:50Z")
He’s at least as dead as Kenny. This one would have been much better edited down to a single episode. ---
**Author:** ![kelly5078](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/6f9a4e/32.png) [@kelly5078](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kelly5078)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/22 "2006-04-13T17:09:48Z")
One of the weakest episodes I’ve ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/23 "2006-04-13T17:51:12Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > Speaking of Osama, isn’t he dead in the South park Universe? I seem to remember cartman blowing him up and then a US soldier shoting him through the head. No no no. You’re not dead unless you shit yourself. The last thing you do right before you die is shit yourself. ---
**Author:** ![LateComer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b5ac83/32.png) [@LateComer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LateComer)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/24 "2006-04-13T19:29:00Z")
> [@Least Original User Name Ever](#): > > Great episode, as usual. They even poked fun at themselves multiple times. > > So…did Comedy Central puss out? Was Mohammed meant to not be seen? I’m sure details are coming on rather soon. [Yes.](http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060413/D8GVA6F02.html) > [@](#): > > Banned by Comedy Central from showing an image of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, the creators of “South Park” skewered their own network for hypocrisy in the cartoon’s most recent episode. > > The comedy - in an episode aired during Holy Week for Christians - instead featured an image of Jesus Christ defecating on President Bush and the American flag. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/25 "2006-04-13T19:35:28Z")
Parker and Stone have gotten way way way too full of themselves in my opinion. Using their show to (not good naturedly) bash Family Guy and Simpsons was I thought petty. If _Arrested Development_ had bashed lesser sitcoms (like _Yes Dear_ and _King of Queens_) it would have been far more justified as A.D. was almost objectively leap years ahead of those shows, but it still would have seemed childish and whiney; for a show like SP that’s past it’s prime and arguably not as good as Family Guy and Simpsons it was just bitchy. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![HPL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3da27b/32.png) [@HPL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HPL)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/26 "2006-04-13T19:46:13Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Parker and Stone have gotten way way way too full of themselves in my opinion. Using their show to (not good naturedly) bash Family Guy and Simpsons was I thought petty. Actually, I thought they went pretty light on the simpsons and family guy. We’ve seen what they do to people they hate(Scientology, the RCC, etc), and all they could say about family guy is…their jokes aren’t funny and aren’t connected to the plot. Really, that’s pretty tame compared to what they could have done. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/27 "2006-04-13T19:54:53Z")
But it cuts both ways. They bashed the way Family Guy’s plot bounces around, but many people in the episode said they liked Family Guy. I don’t think they’ve got a problem with Family Guy, they just don’t want what they’re doing to be lumped together with Family Guy. It could then go on that they think their humor is more sophisticated and satirical, which is correct. The reason that Family Guy can’t (and won’t) win this fight (if it ends up being one) is that Matt and Trey and their crew can make an episode within a week. Family Guy can’t. You can’t beat someone that lands their punches before yours are even launched. By saying that South Park has past its time because it’s too preachy is saying that your appreciation of satire is lower than the level being displayed. Besides, you watched it, didn’t you? (that’s a collective “you”, by the way). If you’re still watching an inferior product, then you’re condoning it, even if you want to “see what the hubbub is about”. People that prefer Family Guy over South Park (and vice versa) won’t or can’t see the other side of the argument because of differences in senses of humor. by the way, none of this is meant as a personal attack. Talk amongst yourselves. ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/28 "2006-04-13T19:58:37Z")
Cartman - This is manipulation at it’s highest level you should let me handle this. Bart - I’m a pretty bad kid. Cartman - Really, what’s the worst thing you’ve ever done? Bart - I stole the head off a statue once! Cartman - (sarcasm) Wow that’s pretty hardcore. Geez, that’s like this one time when I didn’t like a kid so I ground his parents up into chili and fed it to him. Bart - You got it man, you got it. Cartman - See ya. I loved this episode. I didn’t think they weren’t any harder on Family Guy or The Simpsons than they were on themselves. Personally, I hope their war on scientology isn’t over. I really want Tom Cruise to make some more appearances. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/29 "2006-04-13T19:59:47Z")
> [@Gladstone](#): > > They probably knew Comedy Central’s policy when they came up with the idea for the two-parter. I have read that the full episode, including the deleted scenes, is circulating on the net. Haven’t found it yet, though. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/30 "2006-04-13T20:00:43Z")
> [@HPL](#): > > > [@Sampiro](#): > > > > Parker and Stone have gotten way way way too full of themselves in my opinion. Using their show to (not good naturedly) bash Family Guy and Simpsons was I thought petty. > > Actually, I thought they went pretty light on the simpsons and family guy. We’ve seen what they do to people they hate(Scientology, the RCC, etc), and all they could say about family guy is…their jokes aren’t funny and aren’t connected to the plot. > > Really, that’s pretty tame compared to what they could have done. The don’t dislike the Simpsons, they actually liked the Simpsons in its heyday. I have seen them talk about it. As far as Family Guy, Do they hate Family Guy or do they just hate being compared to Family Guy? I have never seen or heard anything where they say they hate FG. The Epsiode was kind of Bleh for me. I didn’t laugh at too much. Oh Well. Jim ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/31 "2006-04-13T20:16:06Z")
Were the critical of “The Simpsons” in any way, besides poking fun at the fact that Bart’s not as bad of a kid as Cartman is? ---
**Author:** ![Moe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moe/32/2972_2.png) [@Moe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moe)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/32 "2006-04-13T20:22:21Z")
I didn’t see anything hateful or malicious towards FG or the Simpsons in that episode. I took the FG jabs as coming from a friendly and respectful tone given that they cut themselves down for being preachy and satirical. I hope FG takes it in the same light. As far as the Simpsons, the “Simpsons did it…” episode from a few years back was clearly an homage. Though their sycophantry was tempered with the comment at the end that (paraphrased) “even the Simpsons aren’t completely original, and steal from the past”, the overall message was that everyone in art and entertainment steals, that nothing is truly original, but damned if the Simpsons ain’t among the best at it. ---
**Author:** ![Kiros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/439d5e/32.png) [@Kiros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kiros)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/33 "2006-04-13T20:22:56Z")
“Good, Kyle! That’s good anger you’re showing there! See that? That’s emotional character development based on what’s happening in the story line! Not at all like Family Guy! … now if you’ll excuse me Kyle, I have some idea balls to remove from a manatee tank.” Liked this episode a lot. The manatees were a perfect, totally South Park way to do that. I also liked the news conference - they’ve made fun of Bush more than enough times in the past that we know they’re aren’t defending him… which just makes it all that more hilarious when the reporters are so thick and he can’t get through to them. ---
**Author:** ![bclouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@bclouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bclouse)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/34 "2006-04-13T20:23:46Z")
I. Am. **GODDDD!!!** ---
**Author:** ![Kiros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/439d5e/32.png) [@Kiros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kiros)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/35 "2006-04-13T20:24:48Z")
Oh, also, there was a “26” poster in the office of the Fox Pres at the end, which was pretty hilarious 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Phantom\_Dennis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/51bf81/32.png) [@Phantom\_Dennis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phantom_Dennis)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/36 "2006-04-13T20:37:30Z")
> [@pizzabrat](#): > > Were the critical of “The Simpsons” in any way, besides poking fun at the fact that Bart’s not as bad of a kid as Cartman is? Yeah, the Bart character turned out to be a good guy in the sense that he help rescue Kyle from Cartman. And it’s fairly common knowledge that Matt and Trey are Simpsons fans. I took the jokes about Family Guy to be good natured ribbing. Plus Kyle gives a speach defending it, and Stan and Kyle tend to be thinly veiled mouthpieces for the creators. It’s also possible that Matt likes Family Guy wheras Trey hates it, or vice versa. They’re not the same person, and I assume their opinions differ on a few issues. ---
**Author:** ![AuntiePam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@AuntiePam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AuntiePam)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/37 "2006-04-13T20:43:48Z")
Should we read anything into the scene where Kyle and Cartman pummeled their way past the King of the Hill writers, without making any comments? When they didn’t say anything, I took it to mean they had no gripe with KotH. But it could also mean they don’t think KotH is worthy of attention. Or it could mean that they couldn’t come up with a joke. Or it could mean nothing at all. ---
**Author:** ![Phantom\_Dennis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/51bf81/32.png) [@Phantom\_Dennis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phantom_Dennis)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/38 "2006-04-13T21:09:14Z")
> [@AuntiePam](#): > > Should we read anything into the scene where Kyle and Cartman pummeled their way past the King of the Hill writers, without making any comments? > > When they didn’t say anything, I took it to mean they had no gripe with KotH. But it could also mean they don’t think KotH is worthy of attention. Or it could mean that they couldn’t come up with a joke. Or it could mean nothing at all. Maybe just a shoutout to Mike Judge? He provided the voice of Kenny in the South Park movie, so I imagine he’s on good terms with Matt and Trey. ---
**Author:** ![Gladstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/90db22/32.png) [@Gladstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gladstone)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/39 "2006-04-13T21:45:20Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Parker and Stone have gotten way way way too full of themselves in my opinion. Using their show to (not good naturedly) bash Family Guy and Simpsons was I thought petty. They specifically poked fun at themselves too. The driver who dropped Kyle off at the Family Guy studios said that he liked Family Guy because they weren’t preachy and didn’t have their head wasn’t up their own asses. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2006, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473/40 "2006-04-13T23:27:42Z")
I like that in South Park, when one character learns something off the wall, and makes reference to it, another character that never learned that doesn’t just nod and go on like they know. On most shows, when Cartman says “I have to go to a manatee tank and steal an idea ball”, that would’ve been the end of the scene, but in this, from characters that don’t know, you get “WTF?” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/south-park-4-12/352473.md?page=3)