# Southern American Food **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** food-cooking\ **Created:** [January 14, 2022, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768 "2022-01-14T03:36:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/41 "2022-01-14T23:44:08Z")
Heh, ok. I have had that. Diabetes in a pie shell. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2022, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/42 "2022-01-14T23:44:40Z")
Ahh, thanks. Now that you mention it, I recall hearing about that silliness. šŸŽ ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/43 "2022-01-15T00:33:26Z")
> [@bump](#): > > Kolaches and klobasniks are traditional Czech baked goods- kolaches are similar to danishes, and usually have sweet/fruit fillings I apparently have my own notion of kolachesā€“sweetish filling (nut, usually), and always rolled. Like [this](https://thatrecipe.com/blog/kolache-sweet-nut-roll/) or [this](https://www.tasteofhome.com/recipes/hungarian-nut-rolls/). Apparently, this is a Hungarian kolache. We get them from a relative that I think has Jewish Hungarian ancestry. ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/44 "2022-01-15T01:08:43Z")
Natchitoches Meat Pie (Iā€™ve had it IN Natchitoches, pronounced /Nack uh tish/) Carne Guisada: Iā€™ve eaten a fair amount of Tex Mex, probably had this Kolaches-Czech for things wrapped in a blanket of doughā€”not sure how itā€™s ā€œsouthern.ā€ Mrs. L loves the ones with fresh sauerkraut and sausage. @Maserschmidt probably knows this place, for one. [http://www.czechstop.net/](http://www.czechstop.net/) Pimento Cheese ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/45 "2022-01-15T01:12:16Z")
> [@lobotomyboy63](#): > > Kolaches-Czech for things wrapped in a blanket of doughā€”not sure how itā€™s ā€œsouthern.ā€ Somebody upstream is lumping Texas in with ā€œThe Southā€ culturally. Not saying there arenā€™t some commonalities ā€¦ but the differences are more pronounced than may be evident from a perspective north of the Mason-Dixon. ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/46 "2022-01-15T01:27:02Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Somebody upstream is lumping Texas in with ā€œThe Southā€ culturally. Not saying there arenā€™t some commonalities ā€¦ but the differences are more pronounced than may be evident from a perspective north of the Mason-Dixon. I kind of read it as ā€œKolaches are deliciousā€¦we make some great ones!!!ā€ I.e. everyone wants to be associated with a winner. Itā€™s a form of flattery. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/47 "2022-01-15T01:31:39Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Somebody upstream is lumping Texas in with ā€œThe Southā€ culturally. Not saying there arenā€™t some commonalities ā€¦ but the differences are more pronounced than may be evident from a perspective north of the Mason-Dixon. Shush! There is a noted lack of Germanic cooking in the South. Texas fills that need. Are Texans culturally different from the South? Sure. Theyā€™re culturally different from frakking **everybody**! ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/48 "2022-01-15T01:35:45Z")
Probably not a great reason, but they call them ā€œLone Star Kolachesā€ and claim they are so popular in parts of Texas that there are many festivals and towns claiming to be the kolache capital and even kolache chain restaurants. The Texan variations can (they say) include sausage, jalapeƱo and barbecued beef. The bog is like a risotto with chicken thighs, polish sausage, garlic, onions and long grain rice cooked in lots of chicken broth in a single pot ending up with sticky, clumped rice - more pilaf than stew. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/49 "2022-01-15T01:37:41Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > I apparently have my own notion of kolachesā€“sweetish filling (nut, usually), and always rolled. Like [this](https://thatrecipe.com/blog/kolache-sweet-nut-roll/) or [this](https://www.tasteofhome.com/recipes/hungarian-nut-rolls/). Apparently, this is a Hungarian kolache. We get them from a relative that I think has Jewish Hungarian ancestry. Interesting. In the years Iā€™ve lived in Hungary, Iā€™ve only known those as _beigli_ (either _diĆ³s_ [walnut] or _mĆ”kos_ [poppyseed] _beigli_). ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/50 "2022-01-15T01:40:54Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > There is a noted lack of Germanic cooking in the South. Interestingly, there was something of a German enclave in the New Orleans area and itā€™s never quite gone away. Admittedly, German culinary influence didnā€™t spread all that far away from the Crescent City ā€¦ but a lot of New Orleanian home cooks have incorporated smothered cabbage, [German potato salad](http://www.jfolse.com/recipes/vegetables/salads06.htm), and breaded pork chops into their menus without thinking too much about their origins. > **[Deutsches Haus](https://deutscheshaus.org/)** > > The German Presence in the Gulf South [https://gacc-nola.org/](https://gacc-nola.org/) ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/51 "2022-01-15T01:48:56Z")
There is a recipe for enormous (10ā€) German pancakes made with grated onion and potato. ---
**Author:** ![jnglmassiv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f07891/32.png) [@jnglmassiv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jnglmassiv)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/52 "2022-01-15T01:55:34Z")
> Carne Guisada > Kolaches > Pimento Cheese These were the three I recognized. But guisada is, to me, a pork dish in a stewy-soupy sauce, pretty much the same as chile verde. I used to go to a Mexican grocery (near the office at the time, weā€™ve since moved) that had a hot table that offered red and green guisado but Iā€™m almost certain it was always pork simmered in salsa and always awesome. Kolaches I know from a coffee shop job I had in the late 90s. Pimento cheese seems nationwide in one way or the other, ---
**Author:** ![Ynnad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4491bb/32.png) [@Ynnad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ynnad)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/53 "2022-01-15T02:27:07Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > ā€¦ Natchitoches Meat Pie ā€¦ A little of the topic, but how many of you all think you can properly pronounce Natchitoches without looking it up first? ---
**Author:** ![BippityBoppityBoo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bippityboppityboo/32/5745_2.png) [@BippityBoppityBoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BippityBoppityBoo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/54 "2022-01-15T02:55:40Z")
> [@Ynnad](#): > > but how many of you all think you can properly pronounce Natchitoches without looking it up first? I wouldnā€™t be able to _after_ looking it up. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/55 "2022-01-15T09:25:01Z")
Now that makes senseā€¦ Iā€™ve heard of Kentucky Derby pie! A restaurant near where I grew up was well known for their homemade Kentucky Derby pies; when they needed to cut costs, it was replaced with a horrible commercially-produced version. As a lifelong resident of North Carolina, I never heard of chicken bog until I started listening to a Florida-based podcast. Due to the amount of rice, I wonder if this dish should be called South Carolina chicken bog. I know about pimento cheese. I wish I didnā€™t. XP Iā€™m not familiar with any of the others on the list. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 9:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/56 "2022-01-15T09:43:57Z")
> [@jnglmassiv](#): > > But guisada is, to me, a pork dish in a stewy-soupy sauce, pretty much the same as chile verde. To me, carne guisada is beef stewed in a red chili pepper broth with tomatoes, onions, and bell peppers, drained and either served in cubes with the veggies as a garnish, or with the meat and veggies all shredded like pulled pork and mixed together. > [@Ynnad](#): > > A little of the topic, but how many of you all think you can properly pronounce Natchitoches without looking it up first? I believe Iā€™ve heard it pronounced ā€œnah-kuh-tawshā€. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/57 "2022-01-15T17:04:01Z")
> [@Ynnad](#): > > A little of the topic, but how many of you all think you can properly pronounce Natchitoches without looking it up first? Natch - eh - **toe** - chess. Iā€™m a tourist and entitled to pronounce it ā€œwrongā€ for the amusement of the locals. ---
**Author:** ![lobotomyboy63](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobotomyboy63/32/2900_2.png) [@lobotomyboy63](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lobotomyboy63)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/58 "2022-01-15T17:22:38Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Natch - eh - **toe** - chess. Iā€™m a tourist and entitled to pronounce it ā€œwrongā€ for the amusement of the locals. Thereā€™s a town across the LA/TX border, just 111 miles away, named Nacogdoches. Na (a like in bat) cuh doe chiss. Your pronunciation isnā€™t too far from that, may cause confusion in some circumstances. https://maps.google.com/maps?ll=31.7347457,-94.4316205&z=9&output=embed&dg=ntvb ---
**Author:** ![Lsura](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@Lsura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lsura)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/59 "2022-01-15T17:54:35Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > - Carolina Chicken Bog > - **Natchitoches Meat Pie** > - Carne Guisada > - Jezebel Sauce > - **Comeback Sauce** > - Shrimp Perloo > - **Kolaches** > - **Pimento Cheese** > - **Thoroughbred Pie** > - **Lane Cake** > - Strawberry Sonker Bolded the ones I know. Grew up in Chattanooga, TN, have lived there, in middle TN, Jackson, MS and Atlanta in the south, plus 3 places definitely not in the south (Maine, Ohio, and and Arizona). But I had a job in the late 90s that had me doing a lot of traveling in different parts of the south, so I donā€™t know if Iā€™d know some of these without that experience. But pimenna cheese? Of course Iā€™d know that one (make a grilled cheese sandwich with it. Really. Maybe add some bacon or tomato to that if you want, but itā€™s not required). ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768/60 "2022-01-15T18:43:58Z")
If anyone cared, the magazine is Cooksā€™ Illustrated _Southern Favorites_ from Summer 2019. A summary of each thing follows, in case they have alternate names. - Carolina Chicken Bog \* As above, a clumpy pilaf-risotto with chicken thighs and polish sausage made in one pan with rice absorbing ample chicken broth - Natchitoches Meat Pie \* An empanada from NACK-uh-dish made with pork, beef, onions, peppers and deep-fried - Carne Guisada \* Texan beef stew with roast, potato and Nexican spices served with cilantro in flour tortillas - Jezebel Sauce \* Sauce made with pineapple and apple jam, gores era fish and cayenne served with ham - Comeback Sauce\* Spicy mixture of mayo, onion, chili sauce, ketchup, hot sauce, Worcestershire, mustard, lemon juice, paprika and pepper - Shrimp Perloo \* PUHR-low is a Charleston jambalaya with rice soaking up broth, veggies, shrimp and spice - Kolaches\* A Czech filled pastry - Pimento Cheese\* Mayo, cream cheese, lots of sharp cheddar, spices, pimientos - Thoroughbred Pie\* Chocolate, walnuts and bourbon - Lane Cake\* Boozy white cake with raisins and good whiskey - Strawberry Sonker \* Deep dish stewed fruit covered in a cake or pancakey sweet crust; not quite a pie, cobbler, betty, crisp, pan dowdy as such. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-american-food/957768.md?page=4)