# Southern Baptist Convention Bigots **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 13, 2002, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776 "2002-06-13T02:55:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Race\_Bannon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Race\_Bannon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Race_Bannon)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2002, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/41 "2002-06-15T03:04:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by 5 time champ \* > \*\* > I am not sure how much national attention this story has received. I didn’t find the story listed on [foxnews.com](http://foxnews.com) or msnbc, I had to do a search on [cnn.com](http://cnn.com) to find it there. \*\* It made the local papers here in the Bible Belt. I have a bunch of friends that moved down here (Alabama) from St. Louis due to a job-relocation at the same time I did. We’ve been wondering if any of the Baptists have been visiting the “East Side” or the Gambling Boats. Sheesh, around here, they get upset about Beer vendors at the ballpark. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2002, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/42 "2002-06-15T03:46:02Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by WV\_Woman \* > \*\*I think what the preacher said was right on the damn money. > > Muslims are a jealous, warring people, have been ever since Ishmael was born. \*\* You probably shouldn’t use a roller for paint jobs that require fine details. > [@](#): > > **Name me ONE Muslim society that is well … civilized. Democratic. Remotely supportive of equal rights.** Would that be the Southern Baptist version of equal rights? > [@](#): > > **Furthermore, name me ONE Muslim organization that has publicly denounced what happened on September 11th.** [One](http://www.muslimresource.com/statement_911.shtml) [Two](http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/islam/a091201.htm) [Three](http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=5154) [Four through about two thousand, four hundred and ninety seven.](http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm) I haven’t even started yet, but you get the point. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2002, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/43 "2002-06-15T03:56:54Z")
All I know is, I’m just glad they’re not picking on the Jews this year, for a change. Robin ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2002, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/44 "2002-06-15T05:09:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by WV\_Woman \* > \*\*I think what the preacher said was right on the damn money. > > Muslims are a jealous, warring people, have been ever since Ishmael was born. > > Name me ONE Muslim society that is well … civilized. Democratic. Remotely supportive of equal rights. > > Furthermore, name me ONE Muslim organization that has publicly denounced what happened on September 11th. > > I don’t know about Muhammed being a pedo, but everything else he said was right. \*\* Hate speech is NOT allowed on the Straight Dope, \*\*WV\_Woman \*\*. This includes saying that every single member of a religion, race, whatever is evil. This is an official warning. Lynn Bodoni For the Straight Dope ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2002, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/45 "2002-06-15T06:08:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by WV\_Woman \* > \*\* > Name me ONE Muslim society that is well … civilized. Democratic. Remotely supportive of equal rights. > \*\* Bosnia. It’s got plenty of problems, especially when it comes to prosecution of war criminals, and ethnic tensions are still pretty high, but the government seems committed to democracy and equal rights. Ghana. It’s about 30% Muslim. It’s still not an entirely free society, and had been under a military dictatorship for some time, but it’s currently a democratic country with free elections. Somaliland. It’s not really a country, even though it wants to be. It’s mede up of parts of Northern Somalia, and was an attempt by the region to establish some sort of government. It’s relatively stable, and attempting to be democratic. How’s that? ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2002, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/46 "2002-06-15T14:44:16Z")
According to an item in the “weekly wrapup” section of the local paper, GWB praised the Southern Baptist Convention the next day (by satellite) as being “among the earliest champions of religious tolerance.” Yikes! (Oh, I get it. Earliest champions! He’s obviously been too busy to have any idea what they’ve been up to the last few years.) ---
**Author:** ![kniz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c37758/32.png) [@kniz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kniz)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2002, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/47 "2002-06-15T17:42:27Z")
Jerry Falwell defended the statement in question by saying that it was made in a closed session and that the minister was therefore free to say anything that he pleased. I’m not sure I understand this type of reasoning. To me it means that in public you could say “Love your neighbor” and then go home and say “Everyone who isn’t \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_[sup]fill in the blank[/sup] is going to hell”. ---
**Author:** ![WV\_Woman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@WV\_Woman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WV_Woman)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2002, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/48 "2002-06-15T19:00:23Z")
Lynn: Tell me, then, what is “acceptable speech.” ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2002, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/49 "2002-06-15T19:10:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by kniz \* > \*\*Jerry Falwell defended the statement in question by saying that it was made in a closed session and that the minister was therefore free to say anything that he pleased. I’m not sure I understand this type of reasoning. To me it means that in public you could say “Love your neighbor” and then go home and say “Everyone who isn’t \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_[sup]fill in the blank[/sup] is going to hell”. \*\* I couldn’t find any reference to that “defense”. [Here](http://www.falwell.com/historical_data.html) is Falwell’s take on Island and what Vine said in St Louis. ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2002, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/50 "2002-06-15T19:15:28Z")
…make that Falwell’s take on **Islam** of course. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2002, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/51 "2002-06-15T20:35:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by WV\_Woman \* > \*\*Lynn: > > Tell me, then, what is “acceptable speech.” \*\* Speech that isn’t hateful. Why is that so hard to grasp? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2002, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/52 "2002-06-15T20:47:27Z")
Next thing you know, those goofy Southern Baptists will be flying airliners into tall buildings and starting up some martyrs brigades! ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2002, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/53 "2002-06-15T21:44:15Z")
So, if the Southern Baptists aren’t actually committing mass murder, we shouldn’t criticize anything they say or do? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2002, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/54 "2002-06-15T22:30:56Z")
Subtly is lost here, I see. Supposedly, it is a bad thing to make blanket statements regarding any group of people. Moderator Lynn Bodoni even states, “Hate speech is NOT allowed on the Straight Dope, WV\_Woman . This includes saying that every single member of a religion, race, whatever is evil.”, in response to WV\_Woman’s little jab at Islam. Of course, we then get posters such as [Kirkland1244](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118850&pagenumber=2) , who equates Baptists with vermin, with nary a peep from the moderators or any of you, who shit a brick if anyone dares impugn the good name of Islam, Athiesm, Wicca, etc. What I am saying, basically, is that many of you are fucking hypocrites. ---
**Author:** ![grendel72](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/91b2a8/32.png) [@grendel72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grendel72)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2002, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/55 "2002-06-16T00:13:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > \*\*What I am saying, basically, is that many of you are fucking hypocrites. \*\* I’ve read through the whole thread, and I dont see anyone saying all southern baptists are wrong in any way. In fact I see several people pointing out that the authouritarian slant the SBC has taken lately is _contrary to the tenets of the sect_. I know several _former_ Southern Baptists who feel that the beaurocracy has betrayed the tenet of self interpretation which was _central_ to the church. Calling the SBC intolerant bigots is no different than calling Osama Bin Laden a terrorist- it is the truth, and doesn’t paint everyone who shares their faith with the saim brush. ---
**Author:** ![PlanMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/2bfe46/32.png) [@PlanMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlanMan)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/56 "2002-06-18T03:34:24Z")
Sunday, Rev. Vines addressed the issue in his televised sermon at Jacksonville First Baptist Church, as reported [here](http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/061702/met_9685153.html) in the generally supportive _Florida Times-Union_. A question, does anybody know anything about the book, _Unveiling Islam_, Vines cites as his source? An observation - many of Jacksonville’s power elite, including several members of the City Council, and the non-elected folks that **really** the City, are members of FBC. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/57 "2002-06-18T15:37:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > \*\* Of course, we then get posters such as [Kirkland1244](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118850&pagenumber=2) , who equates Baptists with vermin, with nary a peep from the moderators or any of you, who shit a brick if anyone dares impugn the good name of Islam, Athiesm, Wicca, etc. > > What I am saying, basically, is that many of you are fucking hypocrites. \*\* You, **poster formerly known as Ottto** are either reading impaired, a liar or just plain stupid. The very first post following **Kirkland** ’s remarks call him to task for his over-generalization. And if you spent any time reading his history, you’d discover that Kirkland has been chastised many, many times for his over-the-top comments. That being said, the Southern Baptist Convention leaders are predominately bigots, as witnessed by the comments quoted and linked to in this thread. Furthermore if you can’t tell the difference between calling someone vermin and slandering an entire religious group by saying they are a “jealous, warring people, have been ever since Ishmael was born”, then perhaps you are an unfortunate casualty in the fight against ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![tramp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@tramp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tramp)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/58 "2002-06-18T16:25:23Z")
Isn’t it one of the SBC’s “goals” or “points of light” or whatever to convert the Jews? That seems a bit silly to me.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/59 "2002-06-18T17:18:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tramp \* > \*\*Isn’t it one of the SBC’s “goals” or “points of light” or whatever to convert the Jews? That seems a bit silly to me.:rolleyes: \*\* Not from their standpoint. If you believe, like many of them do, that the only people going to heaven are Christians, and if you’re basically a decent person who wants to see other people go to heaven, then you’re going to try to convert them. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2002, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776/60 "2002-06-18T17:34:50Z")
PlanMan: What disturbs me most about the article you linked above is that the congregation rose in ovation for the Bigot-in-Question before he made further comments. Apparently they were all just so gosh-darned-glad that Vines had uttered the hateful things he had already uttered. And that’s the congregation doing that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southern-baptist-convention-bigots/113776.md?page=4)