It made the local papers here in the Bible Belt.
I have a bunch of friends that moved down here (Alabama) from St. Louis due to a job-relocation at the same time I did. We’ve been wondering if any of the Baptists have been visiting the “East Side” or the Gambling Boats.
Sheesh, around here, they get upset about Beer vendors at the ballpark.
You probably shouldn’t use a roller for paint jobs that require fine details.
Would that be the Southern Baptist version of equal rights?
Four through about two thousand, four hundred and ninety seven.
I haven’t even started yet, but you get the point.
All I know is, I’m just glad they’re not picking on the Jews this year, for a change.
Robin
Hate speech is NOT allowed on the Straight Dope, **WV_Woman **. This includes saying that every single member of a religion, race, whatever is evil.
This is an official warning.
Lynn Bodoni
For the Straight Dope
Bosnia. It’s got plenty of problems, especially when it comes to prosecution of war criminals, and ethnic tensions are still pretty high, but the government seems committed to democracy and equal rights.
Ghana. It’s about 30% Muslim. It’s still not an entirely free society, and had been under a military dictatorship for some time, but it’s currently a democratic country with free elections.
Somaliland. It’s not really a country, even though it wants to be. It’s mede up of parts of Northern Somalia, and was an attempt by the region to establish some sort of government. It’s relatively stable, and attempting to be democratic.
How’s that?
According to an item in the “weekly wrapup” section of the local paper, GWB praised the Southern Baptist Convention the next day (by satellite) as being “among the earliest champions of religious tolerance.”
Yikes!
(Oh, I get it. Earliest champions! He’s obviously been too busy to have any idea what they’ve been up to the last few years.)
Jerry Falwell defended the statement in question by saying that it was made in a closed session and that the minister was therefore free to say anything that he pleased. I’m not sure I understand this type of reasoning. To me it means that in public you could say “Love your neighbor” and then go home and say “Everyone who isn’t ________[sup]fill in the blank[/sup] is going to hell”.
Lynn:
Tell me, then, what is “acceptable speech.”
I couldn’t find any reference to that “defense”. Here is Falwell’s take on Island and what Vine said in St Louis.
…make that Falwell’s take on Islam of course.
:smack:
Speech that isn’t hateful.
Why is that so hard to grasp?
Next thing you know, those goofy Southern Baptists will be flying airliners into tall buildings and starting up some martyrs brigades!
So, if the Southern Baptists aren’t actually committing mass murder, we shouldn’t criticize anything they say or do?
Subtly is lost here, I see.
Supposedly, it is a bad thing to make blanket statements regarding any group of people.
Moderator Lynn Bodoni even states, “Hate speech is NOT allowed on the Straight Dope, WV_Woman . This includes saying that every single member of a religion, race, whatever is evil.”, in response to WV_Woman’s little jab at Islam.
Of course, we then get posters such as Kirkland1244 , who equates Baptists with vermin, with nary a peep from the moderators or any of you, who shit a brick if anyone dares impugn the good name of Islam, Athiesm, Wicca, etc.
What I am saying, basically, is that many of you are fucking hypocrites.
I’ve read through the whole thread, and I dont see anyone saying all southern baptists are wrong in any way. In fact I see several people pointing out that the authouritarian slant the SBC has taken lately is contrary to the tenets of the sect. I know several former Southern Baptists who feel that the beaurocracy has betrayed the tenet of self interpretation which was central to the church.
Calling the SBC intolerant bigots is no different than calling Osama Bin Laden a terrorist- it is the truth, and doesn’t paint everyone who shares their faith with the saim brush.
Sunday, Rev. Vines addressed the issue in his televised sermon at Jacksonville First Baptist Church, as reported here in the generally supportive Florida Times-Union.
A question, does anybody know anything about the book, Unveiling Islam, Vines cites as his source?
An observation - many of Jacksonville’s power elite, including several members of the City Council, and the non-elected folks that really the City, are members of FBC.
You, poster formerly known as Ottto are either reading impaired, a liar or just plain stupid. The very first post following Kirkland’s remarks call him to task for his over-generalization. And if you spent any time reading his history, you’d discover that Kirkland has been chastised many, many times for his over-the-top comments. That being said, the Southern Baptist Convention leaders are predominately bigots, as witnessed by the comments quoted and linked to in this thread.
Furthermore if you can’t tell the difference between calling someone vermin and slandering an entire religious group by saying they are a “jealous, warring people, have been ever since Ishmael was born”, then perhaps you are an unfortunate casualty in the fight against ignorance.
Isn’t it one of the SBC’s “goals” or “points of light” or whatever to convert the Jews? That seems a bit silly to me.:rolleyes:
Not from their standpoint. If you believe, like many of them do, that the only people going to heaven are Christians, and if you’re basically a decent person who wants to see other people go to heaven, then you’re going to try to convert them.
PlanMan:
What disturbs me most about the article you linked above is that the congregation rose in ovation for the Bigot-in-Question before he made further comments. Apparently they were all just so gosh-darned-glad that Vines had uttered the hateful things he had already uttered.
And that’s the congregation doing that.