Southern Poverty Law Centre links Christian leaders’ anti-gay rhetoric to hate crimes

Well, “false framing” might fit better than “assertion”.

Your post was based on the idea that a group is a hate group when it is “engaging in behaviour that is causing criminal behaviour”. But no examples of the criminal behavior caused by FRI have been provided. So, by your definition, FRI is not a hate group.

Then you asked for examples of people attacking members of groups that Dean had singled out. So I provided one. The idea that property crimes can’t be hate crimes is pretty weak - abortion clinic bombings or cross burnings where no one got hurt would not count as a hate crime by that definition.

Good - I don’t agree with the article either. It strikes me as another example of a group trying to define “any speech that I disagree with” as hate speech, or a crime.

Regards,
Shodan

It’s less “any speech that I disagree with” that I consider hate-speech than it is “any speech that is MALICIOUS, DEMONSTRABLY FALSE AND KNOWN BY ITS CREATOR TO BE SO, WILLFULLY DEFAMATORY and SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN TO BRING POLITICAL AND EMOTIONAL HARM TO A SPECIFIC GROUP OF PEOPLE”. (Caps used to highlight the otherwise very subtle difference.)

Shodan: *Then you asked for examples of people attacking members of groups that Dean had singled out. So I provided one. *

As I noted above, though, your claim that that attack was somehow linked to the notorious anti-Republican comments of Dean as Democratic Party chairman requires us to assume the use of a time machine. Try again.

Well, I gather I’m being ignored, but I’ll ask another question of Shodan anyway.

The Institute for Historical Review (IHR) has much in common with Family Research Institute: both have innocuous sounding names, both publish and sell “research” to ultra-conservative institutions, both propagate demonstrable falsehoods deliberately fabricated to advance a hate-based agenda, and neither has ever advocated in writing a physical attack on another person. (In the case of IHR the falsehood is Holocaust denial.) Do you consider IHR a hate group? If not, why not? If so, why do you not consider FRI one? RSVP.

I don’t have the reports in front of me right now, but didn’t some of these groups or individuals adopt an extreme Dominionist view? Didn’t some of them call for the imposition of some strange biblical law that includes execution of “certain types” of people? Sounds like hate to me.

Willie Horton. Swift Boats. Blowjobs.

Boo fucking hoo, crybaby.

Irregardless,
minty

“Crybaby”?

You know better than that, minty green. Do not resort to name calling or personal insults in Great Debates.

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Shodan, could you please tell us how you define “hate speech?” Does it exist at all, in your opinion. (In your answer, please spare us any more reiteration of what you think that “liberals” mean by the word. I’m only asking what YOU would consider hate speech).

rjung, your One-Trick Pony crack is also out of line.

yeeeesh!

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You’re right, I should have known better. My apologies for the breach of decorum.

Yes, I’ve been 43 for over 16 years.

So Christian groups in the US are anti-gay because Islam is forcing them to be? You are aware that Judeo-Christianity predates Islam? I’m including the Catholic Church under “Christian groups” (I don’t know how powerful anti-gay Jewish groups are), but it’s not a question of who was the first to be anti-gay but who is perpetuating this attitude in the US given their power and influence.

Southern Poverty Law Center is my charity of choice. I give a modest amount to them each month and continue to be pleased with what they do. I don’t find their words to be inflammatory. I am pleased to find them opposing hate against gays, I feel like I am getting more bang for my charity buck.

I think they do good work as well, but I must admit I would never give them money. They are one of the richest non-profit organizations in the world (due to extremely good management- Morris Dees was always a better businessman than than lawyer [he was a self made millionaire in his 20s]). The nickname for their HQ in Montgomery, AL is The Poverty Palace.

Below are just a “taste” of what one report says. It looks like hate to me. If even one tenth of this is absolutely verbatim truth, how could anyone possibly defend it?

And we’d have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn’t for you meddling straights…

Robertson’s meteor prediction was one of his more bizarre moments. I didn’t realize that God had terrorist bombs in His arsenal, and earthquakes are a bit more Jovian. Florida of course has plenty of tornadoes in any given year but to my knowledge none have gone near the Kingdom of the Rodent even though Gay Day has not only not-ceased but gets larger every year (thanks in part, perhaps, to the publiclity supplied by Robertson, Falwell, etc.).

I like the fact that God considers a 2% majority a blowout election. And he doesn’t mind talking to people who use ministerial airlines to supply equipment to African business interests shared with murdering dictators. Veddy veddy bad man is Robertson.

Dammit! That was supposed to be a SECRET agenda! Now everyone knows. Harumph.

Hell… I’ve been 21 for 13 years.

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It would appear Shodan has left the building.

A pity, because my questions were not rhetorical.