# Southland, season five starts tonight **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 13, 2013, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southland-season-five-starts-tonight/650197 "2013-02-13T17:31:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southland-season-five-starts-tonight/650197/21 "2013-04-19T16:31:45Z")
The way I saw it, they didn’t “give up” their guns. Both were cold cocked and had them taken. You really think Lucero was gay? I thought he was just a bit of a homophobe. That doesn’t necessarily equate to being gay. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southland-season-five-starts-tonight/650197/22 "2013-04-19T16:40:28Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > You really think Lucero was gay? I thought he was just a bit of a homophobe. That doesn’t necessarily equate to being gay. I didn’t think that until the scene with his wife and Cooper when she went to see him after the funeral. He thoughts about why their relationship broke up make me think that he was overcompensating with his constant homophobic jokes. ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southland-season-five-starts-tonight/650197/23 "2013-04-19T17:07:56Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > I didn’t think that until the scene with his wife and Cooper when she went to see him after the funeral. He thoughts about why their relationship broke up make me think that he was overcompensating with his constant homophobic jokes. Until the wife went there, it had not really dawned on me and I think the same happened to Coop. But after she brought up the subject, it did sort of make sense. He just might have been the proverbial self-loathing, closeted cop. Maybe their night at the Gay Bar was more than what Coop originally thought - which explains the sudden flash of violence at the end of the night. So yeah - in retrospect, it would explain a lot. I think the writers left it for the viewing audience to decide - but even planting this seed of thought into Coop’s mind might have also been what sent him over the edge later. Just what he needed - more guilt. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southland-season-five-starts-tonight/650197/24 "2013-04-19T17:09:38Z")
What happened in the scene in which Cooper and Lucero fought? Did Lucero try to kiss Cooper? It wasn’t clear to me. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southland-season-five-starts-tonight/650197/25 "2013-04-19T17:19:57Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > Until the wife went there, it had not really dawned on me and I think the same happened to Coop. But after she brought up the subject, it did sort of make sense. He just might have been the proverbial self-loathing, closeted cop. Maybe their night at the Gay Bar was more than what Coop originally thought - which explains the sudden flash of violence at the end of the night. So yeah - in retrospect, it would explain a lot. I think the writers left it for the viewing audience to decide - but even planting this seed of thought into Coop’s mind might have also been what sent him over the edge later. Just what he needed - more guilt. The writers put that scene there to make us speculate. We’ll never know for sure. > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > What happened in the scene in which Cooper and Lucero fought? Did Lucero try to kiss Cooper? It wasn’t clear to me. They were just horsing around after a fun night until Lucero caught himself and had a freakout. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southland-season-five-starts-tonight/650197/26 "2013-04-20T23:00:36Z")
I’m rewatching the episode today. During the mealtime conversation between Cooper and Hicks (Gerald McRaney’s character), after Hicks asked Cooper why he and Lucero gave up their guns, he said, “After that fucked-up thing back in the 60s and all the hoopla there was about that, if there was one thing I taught you, it was you don’t give up your guns.” What is the fucked-up thing back in the 60s he was referring to? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southland-season-five-starts-tonight/650197/27 "2013-04-20T23:05:01Z")
I think it was the Onion Field murders. > **[The Onion Field](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Onion_Field)** > > The Onion Field is a 1973 nonfiction book by Joseph Wambaugh, a sergeant for the Los Angeles Police Department, chronicling the kidnapping of two plainclothes LAPD officers by a pair of criminals during a traffic stop and the subsequent murder of one of the officers. > On the night of March 9, 1963, LAPD officers Ian Campbell (age 31) and Karl Hettinger (age 28) were riding in an unmarked police car. They pulled over a 1946 Ford coupe containing two suspicious-looking men at the corner of Carlos... ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southland-season-five-starts-tonight/650197/28 "2013-04-21T01:24:22Z")
Thanks. I think you’re correct. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southland-season-five-starts-tonight/650197/29 "2013-04-23T00:01:05Z")
Thanks, I was wondering what he meant as well. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southland-season-five-starts-tonight/650197/30 "2013-04-23T00:19:37Z")
OK, since you revived the thread, one more thing. During the preview for the last episode, I saw a scene in which Sammy had a camera on Ben asking him about setting up the robbery of Sammy’s house (in other words, getting evidence against Ben). But I don’t think that scene appeared in the episode. Did it? ---
**Author:** ![stoplight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@stoplight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stoplight)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2013, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southland-season-five-starts-tonight/650197/31 "2013-04-23T00:53:58Z")
> [@TBG](#): > > Thanks, I was wondering what he meant as well. If memory serves “the onion field” was mentioned in the last epsiode ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2014, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southland-season-five-starts-tonight/650197/32 "2014-02-05T19:46:30Z")
To bump an old thread, I’m just after finishing Season 5 of the series. Why did Cooper’s ex-wife change her mind about the baby? Was it because she’d read/seen something related to the previous episode’s case? It wasn’t clear to me at all. In an earlier episode, is there any indication what Cooper says to his dying dad? Related to the Dewey character, is it remotely plausible that a cop would be back on duty 2 weeks after a heart attack? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/southland-season-five-starts-tonight/650197.md?page=1)