# Sovereign Citizens-- Please tell me this is fake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2016, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572 "2016-10-24T07:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/201 "2022-08-30T03:50:46Z")
Ain’t never gonna do it without the fez on. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/202 "2022-08-30T04:05:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Ever try to fly beneath the _sonar_? Don’t be silly, don’t you know that one flies _above_ sonar? ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/203 "2022-08-30T04:31:21Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Fezzes improve any uniform. I can’t recall the name, but the fez is familiar. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/204 "2022-08-30T12:38:29Z")
> [@outlierrn](#): > > Ain’t never gonna do it without the fez on. Oh no? That’s what you are? Please understand? You wanna be our holy man? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/205 "2022-08-30T14:50:58Z")
i thought they were moops. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/206 "2022-08-30T15:06:20Z")
Is that you, George? ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/207 "2022-08-30T15:11:27Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > More importantly, we are not flying . . . we’re travelling! My brother-in-law used to be a police officer. When I asked him if he ever dealt with sovereign citizens this is what he said: I hate those assholes. “I’m not driving I’m traveling!” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/208 "2022-08-30T15:33:56Z")
Nobody ever got out of a traffic ticket by annoying the cop. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/209 "2022-08-30T17:07:26Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > My brother-in-law used to be a police officer. When I asked him if he ever dealt with sovereign citizens this is what he said: I hate those assholes. “I’m not driving I’m traveling!” If I were a cop here would be my response: The Articles of Confederation were never signed by the Sovereign State of Colorado and as such do not apply here. Even if they did, Article IV refers to crossing state lines, not intrastate travel. If you can quote or show me a copy of Article IV showing where you do not need a license or registration to drive within the State of Colorado I will reconsider the ticket. If not, I will do you a favor and let you present your legal arguments to an impartial judge and let them evaluate them. Here is your citation. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/210 "2022-08-30T17:15:25Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Nobody ever got out of a traffic ticket by annoying the cop. Yes they did. Mrs. Cad was frustrated over being stopped for speeding and took it out on the cop. I wasn’t there but apparently she ended the tirade with, “Just give me the fucking ticket so I can leave.” The cop said that he wouldn’t aggravate her any more and let her go. Yeah, I can’t believe it but not the strangest got-out-of-a-ticket story I know. ---
**Author:** ![Daithi\_Lacha](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/daithi_lacha/32/5430_2.png) [@Daithi\_Lacha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daithi_Lacha)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/211 "2022-08-30T17:16:57Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Radar? Sonar? > > Don’t you guys know those are actually Mind-Control Space Lasers? Funny, they don’t _look_ Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/212 "2022-08-31T22:50:14Z")
I would guess that the cop probably wasn’t planning to give her a ticket anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Galactus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galactus/32/3581_2.png) [@Galactus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Galactus)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2023, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/213 "2023-04-21T23:38:13Z")
This might be the craziest SovCit videos I’ve ever seen. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/UU1F73OwCtA/maxresdefault.jpg "Family Flips Out and Gets Arrested | Driveway Traffic Stop") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU1F73OwCtA) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/214 "2023-04-22T01:05:12Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > Bumped for [a guy trying to sovereign his way out](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/03/03/yall-cant-do-nothing-to-me-sovereign-citizen-accused-of-killing-police-officer-tells-judge/?tid=pm_national_pop&utm_term=.25e6dfc6b1ea) of having murdered his pregnant girlfriend and a police officer. Looks like his line of defense was sub-optimal. > **[Convicted cop killer Markeith Loyd sentenced to death](https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/03/02/life-or-death-judge-to-make-final-decision-in-markeith-loyd-case/)** > > Convicted cop killer Markeith Loyd was sentenced to death by a judge for the murder of Orlando police Lt. Debra Clayton in 2017. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/215 "2023-04-22T01:28:20Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Nobody ever got out of a traffic ticket by annoying the cop. When I lived on Diego Garcia, one ROPO (Royal Police Officer) and I had an interesting conversation. > ROPO: Monty, within ten seconds of stopping a vehicle, I’ll know if I’ll be writing a ticket. > > Monty: That can’t be right. > > ROPO: What’s wrong about it? If the driver gives me attitude, it’s ticket time. > > Monty: You misunderstand. I’m surprised it takes that long before a jackass shows he’s a jackass. I’m still wondering how those clowns can be found competent to represent themselves. Their entire ideology is a misunderstanding, aka downright denial, of the judicial system–actually of all three branches of government. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/216 "2023-04-22T01:37:40Z")
> [@Galactus](#): > > This might be the craziest SovCit videos I’ve ever seen. I still marvel at the one that can only be summed up as _“You’re raping me. This is rape. This is rape. This is rape.”_ [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/RB8katyjc9Q/hqdefault.jpg "Illegal Arrest") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB8katyjc9Q) ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/217 "2023-04-22T01:55:40Z")
She actually says that she has all of the rights of an American citizen, but doesn’t have to follow any of the laws. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/218 "2023-04-22T02:17:59Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I still marvel at the one that can only be summed up as _“You’re raping me. This is rape. This is rape. This is rape.”_ It could have been worse for here. The cop could have shaken her hand. I did get a kick out of the cop telling the passenger that her blather was anarchy. What he should have told her is her blather is meaningless and she’s talked herself into an arrest. _While these “sovcit” individuals may seem to be amusing, they are quite dangerous._ _They are looking for a confrontation with LEOs. If they truly believed they were not subject to the laws they’re whining about in the traffic stops, they would not have stopped in the first place._ _They are looking for confrontation. These traffic stop incidents are basically just practice. Yes, the vast majority (all?) of them get hauled of to jail, but they are sharing their experience with other like-minded (and it galls me to use the term mind here) individuals. And a subset of those like-minded types will be the ones taking armed and lethal action in the future._ ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/219 "2023-04-22T03:11:11Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > I’m still wondering how those clowns can be found competent to represent themselves. Their entire ideology is a misunderstanding, aka downright denial, of the judicial system–actually of all three branches of government. It’s a whole level of stupid below this. An anarchist will tell you he doesn’t believe in the concept of laws. But a sovereign citizen will tell you that the law exists but he’ll tell you the law says he doesn’t have to obey the law. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2023, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/220 "2023-04-22T03:44:09Z")
Articles of confederation? I don’t think anybody can even argue that they were ever expanded to include any state or territory other than the ones that existed in 1789. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=12)