# Sovereign Citizens-- Please tell me this is fake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2016, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572 "2016-10-24T07:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/521 "2023-10-18T20:47:09Z")
‘Y’all say this like you don’t know Your Common Law Rights under the Articles of Confederation section of the Magna Carta!’ 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/522 "2023-10-18T20:47:42Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I was surprised to see a video of a sovereign citizen using the same script in Australia. The same bullshit doesn’t work under a different set of laws either. Apparently the Canadians deal with lots of angry Canadian SovCits demanding their 2nd or 5th Amendment rights, claiming stuff is “Unconstitutional”, and relying on wacky interpretations of the UCC. All of which are US concepts foreign to Canada. I understand there’s a lot of bleed-over in television. But you’d hope there’s at least a few enterprising Canadians able to update the scripts to use proper Canadian legal doublespeak then sell that stuff as better and more genuinely Canadian. I guess not. Hmm. I wonder if I, a USAian in the USA, could be prosecuted by Canada for selling Canada-centric SovCit how-to guides to Canadians over the internet. ‘Scuse me folks, while I bow outta the thread here. I got some Googlin’ to do. ---
**Author:** ![Sooner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sooner/32/7875_2.png) [@Sooner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sooner)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/523 "2023-10-18T20:48:08Z")
I work in local government, and there are a few SCs we deal with fairly regularly. It fact I (and several co-workers) was named in one of their recent filings - although I have no idea whom they planned to file it with? However where it gets ugly, is when they file liens on your properties. It has not happened me yet, but it not uncommon for them to do this to local officials. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/524 "2023-10-18T20:53:45Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > The same bullshit doesn’t work under a different set of laws either. That’s the part that’s always amused me about these guys. I could accept, just maybe, the notion that _one_ country has some kind of hidden flaw in its legal system that could be exploited in some way to assert “hidden freedoms”, if you were clever enough to figure it out. But these guys would have us believe that every legal system in the world, despite evolving separately, all have the _exact same_ hidden flaws. Even if a lot of them share some common elements from hundreds of hears ago, like the English Common Law or the Magna Carta, they’d have us believe that no one else has ever noticed the flaw, and fixed it. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/525 "2023-10-18T21:52:54Z")
Flaw? Those nutters believe it’s a feature. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/526 "2023-10-19T14:00:56Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > I was thinking, don’t sell them to normal people, just sell them to the SovCits. Make sure it says this: Not a commercial conveyance Uniform Commercial Code Traveler of the Land They won’t see it. ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/527 "2023-10-19T14:02:13Z")
I’m injured and stuck in a recliner, so I got sucked into some SovCit stuff on Youtube yesterday. Now, I don’t have any sympathy for corrupt cops, but putting up with this bullshit is more than any rational human being should be asked to do. Refraining from using the Taser or cracking skulls is truly admirable. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/528 "2023-10-19T21:43:19Z")
Yipes, feel better! Maybe switch to some kitten videos or something… ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/529 "2023-10-20T03:11:50Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Maybe switch to some kitten videos or something… Aloof, self-entitled, impervious to reason, plays with fringe hanging from a flag; what’s the difference? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/530 "2023-10-20T05:57:27Z")
They look cute? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/531 "2023-10-20T10:08:52Z")
Someone hasn’t gotten their SovCit pinup this month! ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/532 "2023-10-20T13:31:13Z")
Sovereign Kittie-zens? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/533 "2023-10-20T14:13:17Z")
Le Chat, c’est moi. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2023, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/534 "2023-10-20T15:08:00Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Aloof, self-entitled, impervious to reason, plays with fringe hanging from a flag; what’s the difference? The difference is that cats are **successful** at it. Sovereign Citizens can probably be most accurately described as human beings trying to live as cats. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2023, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/535 "2023-10-21T01:22:49Z")
Kittens snuggle and purr. They also bury their turds instead of trying to present them in court appearances. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2023, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/536 "2023-10-22T02:56:37Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Le Chat, c’est moi. FTW!!! ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2023, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/537 "2023-10-22T22:36:00Z")
Oh yes. And they quote the US constitution. Very special kind of stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2023, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/538 "2023-10-22T22:41:26Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > And they quote the US constitution MISquote the Constitution ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/539 "2023-10-23T04:01:21Z")
Most often what I’ve seen is them claiming to rely on “their Xth Amendment rights“ or similar. So not misquoting as such. Just utterly misguided about application. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/540 "2023-10-23T13:31:21Z")
Whereas felines have the Catstitution. "I do what I like, I eat what I like, and I sleep where and when I like. I need scratches and pets all the time. These rights will not be abridged. " [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=28)