# Sovereign Citizens-- Please tell me this is fake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2016, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572 "2016-10-24T07:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2023, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/541 "2023-10-23T13:58:24Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Whereas felines have the Catstitution. There’s also the Declaration of Feline Independence. “I hold these truths to be self-evident, that nobody is my equal.” ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2023, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/542 "2023-10-24T03:48:43Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I need scratches and pets all the time. I need scratches and pets all the time, except when I don’t. Let your bleeding be your guide. ---
**Author:** ![ratatoskK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ratatoskk/32/2987_2.png) [@ratatoskK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ratatoskK)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/543 "2023-10-25T18:24:46Z")
My friend’s sister was pulled over recently for some traffic thing. Depending on how you view it, she either has a severe personality disorder, is insane/psychotic, or just very eccentric. Anyhow all she’d say to the police was that she’s a soverign citizen and that she wouldn’t talk any further, even to give her name. She had no ID and her license, registration, insurance, etc. were either nonexistent or expired. They took her to the police station and all she’d say was that she was a sovereign citizen and wouldn’t talk. They kept her overnight, and the next day a judge sent her to a mental hospital for observation. Extra fun fact: her skin is blue because she’s been taking colloidal silver. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/544 "2023-10-25T19:48:16Z")
> [@ratatoskK](#): > > Extra fun fact: her skin is blue because she’s been taking colloidal silver. Damn, that isn’t good, > **[Colloidal Silver: What You Need To Know](https://www.nccih.nih.gov/health/colloidal-silver-what-you-need-to-know)** > > This fact sheet discusses the safety and effectiveness of colloidal silver and suggests sources for additional information. > The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has warned that colloidal silver isn’t safe or effective for treating any disease or condition. Additionally, the FDA and the Federal Trade Commission have taken action against a number of companies for making misleading claims about colloidal silver products. > > Colloidal silver can cause serious side effects. **The most common is argyria, a build-up of silver in the body’s tissues causing a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, which is usually permanent.** So she’s probably going to be blue forever. It’s not a temporary thing until it’s flushed out of her system. But even worse… > Colloidal silver can cause poor absorption of some drugs, such as certain antibiotics and thyroxine (used to treat thyroid deficiency). There is also some evidence that it can cause kidney, liver, or nervous system problems. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/545 "2023-10-26T01:33:09Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > argyria hey, maybe that makes the round in these circles and you can tell them apart by just looking at them … SovCitSmu’s ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/546 "2023-10-26T02:55:59Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > hey, maybe that makes the round in these circles and you can tell them apart by just looking at them … Sapphire Citizens ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/547 "2023-10-26T03:11:52Z")
> [@ratatoskK](#): > > Depending on how you view it, she either has a severe personality disorder, is insane/psychotic, or just very eccentric. Or she just had the blues. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/548 "2023-10-26T03:50:14Z")
Travelly Smurf. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/549 "2023-10-26T03:57:44Z")
It’s pretty impressive just how blue you can get. It isn’t subtle: [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/Paul_Karason.jpg) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/Paul_Karason.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/550 "2023-10-26T03:58:23Z")
And it never goes away ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/551 "2023-10-26T04:03:25Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > It’s pretty impressive just how blue you can get. It isn’t subtle: > [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/Paul\_Karason.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/Paul_Karason.jpg) - > **[Love Is Blue - Al Martino](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=IiZPmQSQpsk%2F)** > > Al Martino sings Love Is Blue ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Strangelove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.strangelove/32/6613_2.png) [@Dr.Strangelove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Strangelove)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/552 "2023-10-26T04:08:36Z")
Shave his head and he’d fit right in: [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Blue_Man4_%28SP%29_2009_Brazil.JPG) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Blue_Man4_%28SP%29_2009_Brazil.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/553 "2023-10-26T05:14:33Z")
This reminded me of something and I had to google it as I couldn’t remember the entire story. It was about an isolated area in the Appalachians that had families with blue skin: > **[Fugates of Kentucky: Skin Bluer than Lake Louise](https://abcnews.go.com/Health/blue-skinned-people-kentucky-reveal-todayns-genetic-lesson/story?id=15759819)** > > Genetics and in-breeding played a role in the Blue Fugates of Troublesome Creek in Kentucky. It was actually a genetic blood disorder called methemoglobinemia. It looks like one of the people shown above as having ingested collidial silver actually had this disorder. > **[Why the Fugate Family Has Blue Skin](https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/66742/why-fugate-family-has-blue-skin)** > > Their complexions became something of a scarlet letter—or an indigo letter, as it were. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/554 "2023-10-26T06:49:58Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > It looks like one of the people shown above as having ingested collidial silver actually had this disorder. Is it the man on the right or the one in the middle? ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/555 "2023-10-26T07:38:47Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > This reminded me of something and I had to google it as I couldn’t remember the entire story. It was about an isolated area in the Appalachians that had families with blue skin: Maybe you read about from a little known newspaper column: > **[Is there really a race of blue people?](https://www.straightdope.com/21342421/is-there-really-a-race-of-blue-people)** ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/556 "2023-10-26T15:25:16Z")
I’m not sure now. Hours later man. The one that looks like Papa Smurf. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/557 "2023-10-26T15:27:07Z")
Seriously? I don’t think so, but I cannot for the life of me remember where I read/heard about it. I just know the blue people thing rang a bell, so I looked it up. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/558 "2023-10-26T15:32:02Z")
I was joking (the photo directly above your post was a picture of the Blue Man Group, who wear paint or makeup or whatever, but don’t actually have blue skin). But you are wrong, the “Papa Smurf” guy is (or was) [Paul Karason](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Karason), a man from Bellingham, WA (a place I’ve been to many times, and although it can get really cold up there most people aren’t literally blue). He started taking colloidal silver in the 90s, and appeared on the Today show in 2008. He died 10 years ago from health complications (which were probably unrelated to his colloidal silver use, and more likely caused by being a heavy smoker). ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/559 "2023-10-26T21:06:05Z")
Ok, I see. His picture erroneously appears in one of the links I was looking at regarding, the “Blue Fugates” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/560 "2023-10-26T21:17:08Z")
He was a “Blue Non-Fugate”. Though Bellingham is on the Puget Sound, so maybe he was a Blue Puget? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=29)