# Sovereign Citizens-- Please tell me this is fake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2016, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572 "2016-10-24T07:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/841 "2024-02-20T13:15:25Z")
Grammatically perhaps, but as a matter of style, it really should be _Fuck, yes, you fucking can_ ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/842 "2024-02-20T14:19:02Z")
Opponents of Tyranny will want to join a rally Feb. 29 at the Lancaster County ¶ courthouse in support of Amos Miller, the Amish sovereign citizen farmer, whose raw dairy products have already resulted in death (and a positive test for Listeria stemming from an inspection in January). Food safety, you see, is [merely an excuse by statist goons](https://www.thelancasterpatriot.com/why-the-amish-should-stand-with-amos-miller/) to terrorize honest dairy farmers. [Not everyone agrees](https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/01/letter-from-the-editor-this-time-lets-get-over-amos-miller-as-quickly-as-possible/). The battle cry from the rally’s organizers is “Let Amos Miller serve his neighbor”. Listeria, Shiga toxins, whatever…let Freedom ring! ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/843 "2024-02-20T14:33:32Z")
Some ideas are so good they only come around every 4 years. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/844 "2024-02-20T18:52:56Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > “Fuck yes, you can” > > Two clauses. Wouldn’t that be: “Fuck yes; you can”? ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/845 "2024-02-20T20:18:30Z")
Or: “Fuck? Yes, you can.” ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/846 "2024-02-20T20:21:54Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > You can be calm, cool, collected _and_ profane, if you want to. Not all profanity is borne of emotion - sometimes, it’s just a rhetorical tool. It is _never_, IMHO, appropriate for a judge in a courtroom proceeding. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/847 "2024-02-20T20:23:46Z")
Wait until you deal with a few SovCits. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/848 "2024-02-20T20:25:00Z")
Perhaps not, but I’d give a pass on each of calm, cool, collected, and profane to a judge like the one in Vegas who had a defendant jump over the bench and attack her, had she let loose with all the profanity in the world ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2024, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/849 "2024-02-20T20:43:36Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > Fuck yes; you can” > [@Alessan](#): > > Fuck - yes, you - can. > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Fuck, yes, you fucking can Fucking bunch of grammar nazis! ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/850 "2024-02-21T00:54:15Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Wait until you deal with a few SovCits. > 😉 I have… and have never cursed them or used profanity. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/851 "2024-02-21T23:17:54Z")
I’m curious. How do you deal with them? I’ve watched too many Sov Cit videos and while I admire the patience of most of the judges, I’m convinced they can’t be reasoned with. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2024, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/852 "2024-02-21T23:35:57Z")
Hopefully, very very very very very very carefully. Those loons may seem amusing but in fact they are a deadly movement. They’ve already killed and no doubt will kill again. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/853 "2024-02-22T00:06:53Z")
@TokyoBayer: Just keep jailing them for contempt and put them back in when their (short) sentence is up and they pull the same crap in front of the judge again. Ref @Monty. Any SovCit in jail is one who’s not threatening LEOs or ordinary citizens. Are loose SovCit’s individually dangerous? You bet. Is the solution for the law enforcement / justice system to treat them with kid gloves and let them “travel” unmolested? Nope. It’s to arrest them for being stupid in public and jail them for contempt of court and the laws of the State always and everywhere promptly when detected. The folks in the klink pose no real threat to anyone. And set up a Federal task force to find, jail, and thereby put out of business the people selling what amounts to a traitorous Ponzi scheme. We can kill the movement if we try. Or we can let a few hundred weeds become 10 million weeds and _then_ try to deal with the consequences. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/854 "2024-02-22T13:01:35Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Just keep jailing them for contempt and put them back in when their (short) sentence is up and they pull the same crap in front of the judge again. Yeah, that’s what I would do, but because I lack patience, I have a feeling the sentences I impose would be far too long. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/855 "2024-02-22T13:08:27Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > It’s to arrest them for being stupid in public and jail them for contempt of court and the laws of the State always and everywhere promptly when detected. The folks in the klink pose no real threat to anyone. Unworkable but “Since you declare yourself to not be subject to the Constitution and the law, then you are not protected by the Constitution and the law” should put an end to this. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/856 "2024-02-22T14:33:26Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > Yeah, that’s what I would do, but because I lack patience, I have a feeling the sentences I impose would be far too long. I don’t know what the legal maximum is for a bench confinement order for contempt of court. Certainly it varies by jurisdiction. But if it is e.g. 30 days, that just means each jailee gets a fresh shot at redemption or at re-incarceration monthly. Just like teaching children, repetition is the key to change. Of course we’ll need to create a bunch of jails to hold these people. Taking a leaf from the esteemed @running_coach just above, since they are avowedly unbound by the Constitution and subordinate laws, that means that we could indeed build Sheriff Arpaio-style tent camps in the desert to house these bozos _en masse_ cheaply and badly. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/857 "2024-02-22T14:47:40Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > we could indeed build Sheriff Arpaio-style tent camps in the desert to house these bozos _en masse_ cheaply and badly With complementary pink lingerie! ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/858 "2024-02-22T14:52:01Z")
Toss a 50# bag of charcoal and a 50# bag of potatoes over the fence into each “cell block” each day. Protein supplementation is left up to their freedom-loving Libertarian wiles. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/859 "2024-02-22T15:12:21Z")
Has the _auto-de-fé_ fallen that much out of style? ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/860 "2024-02-22T15:23:48Z")
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