# Sovereign Citizens-- Please tell me this is fake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2016, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572 "2016-10-24T07:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/881 "2024-02-24T05:04:24Z")
Could we drop maga types there too? At least if they behave like J6 types? ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/882 "2024-02-24T07:10:40Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > See post 188. > [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > In my hearings, I’ll sometimes tell them, “Lincoln needed just three minutes at Gettysburg to describe his policies during the Civil War. I’ll give you _five_ minutes to explain why this court has no jurisdiction over you.” I’ll take notes and, at the end of the five minutes, politely explain, point by point, why they’re wrong, and then say, “We will now proceed with this hearing.” Far more often than not, they just want to be heard, even if they still don’t agree that the law applies to them. Interesting. Do you ever run into people who refuse to go along after this? I’m genuinely curious. I grew up in a ultrastrict household, and it look a lot of work to learn flexibility while teaching. Sometimes things go better with soft rule rather than strict ones. But, what do you do if someone continues to interrupt? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/883 "2024-02-25T05:07:54Z")
Everyone so far has seemed pleased to be given the chance to spout off (they can hardly complain that I’m giving them _more_ time than the President of the United States), if not so pleased when I then respectfully point out why and how they’re wrong. No one has yet interrupted me after that point. Someday, though, I won’t be surprised if it happens. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2024, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/884 "2024-02-25T12:17:01Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Far more often than not, they just want to be heard, even if they still don’t agree that the law applies to them. My late wife was an attorney and worked as an administrative law judge for a few years. She found this totally true in her kangaroo court. The parties mostly wanted to get their story said and listened to. After that almost everyone took the decision well, whether it was in their favor or not. One of her co-workers had a much more business-like approach, cutting off irrelevant (to him) testimony etc. He thought he was being efficient and legally proper. By the end of all the frustrated fussing and appealing he caused, he was less efficient / productive overall for the year and dealt with a lot more anger every day. _Jiu jitsu_ works. Use their momentum; don’t try to absorb or block it. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2024, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/885 "2024-02-26T19:11:39Z")
Just so. People want their day in court, and they’re entitled to it. I’ve even been thanked by people (not SovCitzs, mind you) that I’ve ruled against, because they at least knew that they’d received a fair, impartial and courteous hearing, even if they didn’t win in the end. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/886 "2024-02-28T22:51:40Z")
Fair warning to Canadians and everyone else under the realm of HRM Queen DIdulo: she has today issued a sweeping Crime Decree aimed at “eliminating and preventing” a laundry list of crimes and injustices, including but not limited to poverty, shortages of housing, drug trafficking, adrenochrome, gambling and alcohol addiction and all violence against humans and animals. Violators will be charged with a barrage of crimes including but not limited to: economic sabotage, money laundering, artificial creation of famine, treason, “hi” treason, bribery, corruption and domestic terrorism. The royal decree is effective immediately. And so it is. 🙃 👨‍🔧 🤯 🤪 🤗 😳 🥶 🥵 👾 ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/887 "2024-03-03T15:13:26Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Fair warning to Canadians and everyone else under the realm of HRM Queen DIdulo: Howinell does one (or two or more) pronounce that name? Sorry if I missed the already asked and answered, but until I hear something I prefer, I’ll just go with Queen Dildo. (Ick!) Dan (Off with his head!) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2024, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/888 "2024-03-03T16:10:22Z")
I’ve been misreading that since the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![JeffB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jeffb/32/188_2.png) [@JeffB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JeffB)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/889 "2024-03-04T04:10:00Z")
It’s a lot easier without the typo: Romana Didulo. My suggested misspelling is Diludo. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/890 "2024-03-04T06:20:49Z")
Personally, I like _Deludo_ (check out the Latin meanings). ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/891 "2024-03-04T08:16:30Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Fair warning to Canadians and everyone else under the realm of HRM Queen DIdulo As a sort of amateur gourmand, I must confess that the name “Romana Didulo” primarily evokes an inferior type of grated cheese, _pecorino romano_, whereas I much prefer Parmigiano Reggiano on my pasta. But to the extent that it evokes sex toys, OK, I’m fine with that. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/892 "2024-03-04T08:57:24Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > But to the extent that it evokes sex toys, OK, I’m fine with that. Sex toys made from cheese? That is not an image that has ever occurred to me. ETA: good god, [something like that exists](https://images.app.goo.gl/SEFCJuy2hxttfmij8). Pretty much safe for work (it is Etsy) so I did not spoiler the link, but use cautiously. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/893 "2024-03-04T19:30:35Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > ETA: good god, [something like that exists](https://images.app.goo.gl/SEFCJuy2hxttfmij8). Pretty much safe for work (it is Etsy) so I did not spoiler the link, but use cautiously. I did not click on that link but I hope it’s called a Cheese Doodle. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/894 "2024-03-04T19:32:13Z")
Alas, it is called “CHEESE-BLOCK”. The Germans are infamous for their lack of humour. And being square, blunt ended and apparently based on the Swiss cheese, (including the holes) looks both uncomfortable and unsanitary, both which you want in your sex toy! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/895 "2024-03-04T20:13:23Z")
I would have gone with “cheese diddle”. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/896 "2024-03-04T20:16:29Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > Sex toys made from cheese? Well, there is the mysterious sex position in _Lysistrata_, [the lioness on the cheese grater](https://www.elitedaily.com/p/what-is-the-lioness-on-a-cheese-grater-a-sexpert-explains-ancient-greeces-hottest-sex-move-9824543). ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/897 "2024-03-04T21:18:10Z")
Not that a cheese sex toy seems sanitary in and of itself, no matter what its shape. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2024, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/898 "2024-03-04T23:12:46Z")
I watched a video earlier today that I can no longer find, but no great loss – it was a fairly routine sovcit traffic stop, followed by the usual arrest and the usual charges including resisting arrest, later followed by additional charges for habitually driving with a suspended license. What made it rather special was not any of the specific idiotic sovcit items and arguments, but the fact that this genius **had them all**. Fake sovcit license plate? Of course! Fake ID? Check. Fake “sovereign” flag decals? Check. Sheet of paper glued to the window containing a dozen paragraphs of meaningless legal mumbo-jumbo? But of course! Fake sheriff’s badge? Absolutely! He even had a police-style laptop mount in the front, although for what purpose one can only imagine. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to guess how much good any of these items did him. 😜 There was another fine one where our sovcit genius attended traffic court on a whole slew of traffic violations. Representing himself, he asserted that he had committed no crime, and the court had no jurisdiction over him anyway, and insisted over and over again that the judge must explain to him how a city or state could be a complainant. Continuing to hammer away on this point and talking over the judge repeatedly and ignoring the judge’s warnings, our sovcit hero managed to get himself 30 days in jail for contempt of court with the judge explicitly ruling that there was to be no early release. The judge said he wanted to make sure our hero had plenty of time to think things over before his next court appearance. I leave it as an exercise for the reader to speculate whether he will reach any new conclusions while in the slammer. ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/899 "2024-03-05T20:40:30Z")
100 quatloos that he claims to be a “political prisoner”. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/900 "2024-03-05T21:02:11Z")
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