# Sovereign Citizens-- Please tell me this is fake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2016, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572 "2016-10-24T07:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/921 "2024-03-18T17:32:58Z")
That article says she presented a passport rather than a driver’s license. I wonder if that was a US passport and why they consider that legitimate but not a driver’s license? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/922 "2024-03-18T17:36:50Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > That article says she presented a passport rather than a driver’s license. While claiming she is not a US citizen. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/923 "2024-03-18T17:40:33Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > . . . A Florida woman who advocates for not paying taxes insists that her cars are diplomatic vehicles. . . There’s an **Oglaf** post that relates to this topic, but it’s not SFW. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/924 "2024-03-18T17:50:40Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > even with this little text on it “Notice of fee schedule you agree to pay $10,000.00 for each minute delays or detained from a non-emergency traffic stop”? What I find endlessly entertaining is how they think they have the right to impose contract terms upon other people and upon the machinery of government by simple notices such as this, while wholly rejecting the notion that the government or other people have the same right of imposition as to them. > But I never explicitly agree to the terms of the citizenship contract, so all US federal and state laws don’t apply to me! Yeah, right. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/925 "2024-03-18T18:01:37Z")
Link, please? ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/926 "2024-03-18T18:10:27Z")
Does it need to be two clicks away? Also, I’m at work, so it can’t happen now. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/927 "2024-03-18T22:34:37Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > What I find endlessly entertaining is how they think they have the right to impose contract terms upon other people and upon the machinery of government by simple notices such as this, while wholly rejecting the notion that the government or other people have the same right of imposition as to them. well, if the state/country can act with agency and IMPERIO, so can they … or so they think … ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/928 "2024-03-19T00:58:22Z")
I’d encourage everyone to click that link to Jalopnik… partly because the community there is full of smart people who can snark with the best (really, it’s a Doperesque car site). ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/929 "2024-03-19T05:55:05Z")
This one, I presume: h ttps://www.oglaf.com/sanctuary/ ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/930 "2024-03-19T11:54:32Z")
What’s an oglaf? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/931 "2024-03-19T12:38:05Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > What’s an oglaf Hell if I know but it was used as the name of the titular minor character in a comic the Dope has addressed in this long-running, now mostly dormant, [Cafe Society thread.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oglaf-appreciation-thread-very-nsfw-hilarious-pornographic-webcomic/516192) ---
**Author:** ![Randy\_Seltzer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ee7513/32.png) [@Randy\_Seltzer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randy_Seltzer)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/932 "2024-03-19T13:09:13Z")
Fun fact: this link just pinged me via email. Hello again SDMB! ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/933 "2024-03-19T13:14:15Z")
Welcome back! See you in another 5 years? 😁 ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/934 "2024-03-19T14:18:58Z")
When Forgotten(\*) Notification Settings Strike ( \* or reset by Discourse) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/935 "2024-03-19T17:53:39Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Amos Miller, the Amish sovereign citizen farmer Well, that wasn’t a juxtaposition I was expecting… ---
**Author:** ![Holy\_Basil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c0e974/32.png) [@Holy\_Basil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Holy_Basil)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/936 "2024-04-22T05:10:04Z")
“Queen” Didulo just outlawed the letter “W” in Canada. Weird since she ends every screed with the Qanon cult phrase "Where we go one, we go all? Lots of W’s in that. [Royal Decree: The letter “W” is UNLAWFUL in the Kingdom of Canada](https://rumble.com/v4qagbk-royal-decree-the-letter-w-is-unlawful-in-the-kingdom-of-canada.html) Or it’s all a LARP/joke? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/937 "2024-04-22T05:34:44Z")
Just read your link. _W_hen did she decide she’s not only the queen of Canada, but also of the _w_hole _w_orld? Oh, and she used the letter _W_ one score minus t_w_o times in that inane decree. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/938 "2024-04-22T14:26:59Z")
> [@Holy\_Basil](#): > > “Queen” Didulo just outlawed the letter “W” in Canada. Sounds like a line from an old Steve Martin bit. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/939 "2024-04-22T14:37:30Z")
> [@Holy\_Basil](#): > > “Queen” Didulo just outlawed the letter “W” in Canada. This begins the purge of the Welsh. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/940 "2024-04-22T19:01:46Z")
It’s no big deal, just replace every W with a UU. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=48)