# Sovereign Citizens-- Please tell me this is fake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2016, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572 "2016-10-24T07:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1181 "2025-05-01T21:31:41Z")
If the sacrifice is performed via medical neglect, sacrifices to Moloch appear to be allowed ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1182 "2025-05-01T22:08:33Z")
I read that as sacrificing babies to (Rupert) Murdoch. Took me a while to think it through whether that was a real thing of not… Now sacrificing babies to Howling Mad Murdock, that’s completely sensible. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1183 "2025-05-01T22:26:24Z")
And all those Daredevil-worshippers sacrificing babies to Matt Murdock… ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1184 "2025-05-02T01:15:06Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > In the US of A, Trump **was**. And 77,302,580 Americans said “sounds good to me!”. Don’t rub it in. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1185 "2025-05-02T01:54:41Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > > [@Toxgoddess](#): > > > > You know, I love to point and laugh at these people as much as anyone else, but God help me, I’m starting to feel a bit of sympathy for them. > > Would that sympathy extend to a sov cit whose car crashed into yours, and having to pay a huge repair bill because the sov cit lacked mandated insurance, believing that “maritime law” didn’t apply to “a person of the land”? What I’m waiting to see is two of these sovcit loons crashing into each other. That should be an awesome investigation for the police. “Why’d you call us? You’re not under our jurisdiction.” “But…” “What part of ‘not under our jurisdiction’ did you not understand?” > [@Odesio](#): > > But you’re right, they can be dangerous. A little over a decade ago, the SovCits had a happy of filing liens on property causing confusion, stress, and financial harm. It’s not that hard to file a lien, and the SovCit would file them against public officials they didn’t like. There are also other scams, including identity theft, pyramid schemes, defrauding the government, etc., etc. And let’s not forget the threat of violence which is usually directed at government officials and law enforcement. Not only threats of violence, but _actual violence_ against law enforcement. That actual violence also includes murder of LEOs. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Then there would be videos of that happening, and SCs would be posting them all over the internet. The sovcidiots love to post the videos of them getting arrested to show how they’re being mistreated by the authorities. Their thinking tells them that’s the only stuff to post online. Of course supervisors or sheriffs have allowed other sovcidiots get off and there’s no reason to post that video because there was no mistreatment. Way back here in reality, though, what happens is the jurisidiction involved doesn’t have the facilities to incarcerate non-violent offenders at the moment and thus the LEO is attempting to handle this at the lowest level of enforcement reasonable for the situation. There was also one case where the sovcidiot was stopped in a very small town and the cop stopping him had to abandon the traffic stop for the simple reason there was an armed bank robbery (IIRC) occurring and thus the town’s entire police force had to respond to the robbery. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > It would suck to get towed because of it, but I assume the new tags will arrive in less than 45 days. Speaking of tags, the ususal sovcidiot whine about cops pulling them over for expired tags is “What is your RAS?” The tags, both year and month, are color coded. That’s the RAS, you morons. If your tags are visible, the cop already knows they’re expired. > [@Atamasama](#): > > It seems like SovCits **want** confrontations. Frauditors, too. > [@Jackmannii](#): > > But these days sov-nuttery is so highly publicized that officers know what’s going on and don’t tolerate it. The murder of two police officers in Arkansas (IIRC) caught the attention of law enforcement leadership. Cops get trained on this nutters including how lethal they can be. > [@Jackmannii](#): > > In 2008, a public opinion survey showed that 51% of Canadians believed they voted to directly elect the prime minister. That alone shows they just might truly qualify to be another US state. > [@wolfpup](#): > > How could they believe that they **directly** elected the PM **when his name was nowhere on the ballot** , except in his own personal riding, where he was simply running for a seat in parliament? How can they believe that when it’s not even a requirment for him to be a member of Parliament in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1186 "2025-05-02T02:57:45Z")
Apropos of little, every time I read the word “sovcit” I’m inevitably reminded of it’s use in the _2000 AD/ Judge Dredd_ comics to describe the two mega-cities descended from the Soviet Union. > **[East-Meg One](https://judgedredd.fandom.com/wiki/East-Meg_One)** > > East Meg One (or East-Meg One) was a Mega City built around the Moscow/St Petersburg sprawl. It was the de facto leader of the Sov Block (or "Sov-Cities") until its destruction. It has a sister city called East-Meg Two. The Sov-Cities were introduced... ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1187 "2025-05-02T03:03:21Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > What I’m waiting to see is two of these sovcit loons crashing into each other. That should be an awesome investigation for the police. Give me your insurance information I don’t have insurance. You give me YOUR insurance information I don’t have insurance Hilarity ensues. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1188 "2025-05-02T19:11:35Z")
Like the antivaxxer parent who found out that other children at her kid’s school were also unvaccinated, and was not happy about that at all ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2025, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1189 "2025-05-03T03:27:42Z")
Q: What’s more fun to watch than a sovereign citizen being taken down? A: **Two** sovereign citizens! Plus, even better, two miniature sovcits-to-be wailing in the back seat. This all began when sovcit #1 believed, as they all do, that he didn’t require license plates, registration, or insurance. These cops had much less patience than many others. This is all enhanced by the dry wit of Van Balion’s narration. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/b6VJGlXkwoc/maxresdefault.jpg "Sovereign Citizen Gets Tased TWICE When He Messes With The WRONG Missouri Cops") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6VJGlXkwoc) ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2025, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1190 "2025-05-03T06:09:38Z")
Hearing them sqqueal and watching them flop like a fish is my favorite part of cop videos. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2025, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1191 "2025-05-03T06:15:30Z")
That’s hilarious. Well, it’s appalling. But it’s also hilarious. Do you have a link to more detail? ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2025, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1192 "2025-05-03T10:44:28Z")
I’ll see if I can find the details - It was several years back ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2025, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1193 "2025-05-03T21:36:39Z")
Here’s a reference to what I was talking about > [@OK, NOW I'm REALLY annoyed with the Anti-vaccination crowd](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ok-now-im-really-annoyed-with-the-anti-vaccination-crowd/420704): > > I’m pretty sure it’s OK to talk about something I read on another message board, isn’t it? (I won’t mention which one.) A mother was talking about her concerns regarding her preschool-age child who has not received any vaccinations. She says that she decided not to vaccinate because she knows it’s best for the kid’s heath. But now…it’s time to enroll in daycare, and it’s gotten her to thinking…hey, what if some of the OTHER kids aren’t vaccinated? Could this be a big risk to her child? DUH… ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2025, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1194 "2025-05-03T23:18:33Z")
Think about it from a nutjob point of view. Vaccinations are effective, **but** at the cost of doing other things like mutating your DNA or making you magnetic or making you autistic. So the ideal situation is that your child is unvaccinated, but surrounded by magnetic mutant autism kids who won’t get infected by diseases their blood poison shields them from and thus won’t infect your kid by proximity. If you accept the initial insane premise, there is some logic to the rest. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2025, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1195 "2025-05-03T23:57:46Z")
But I have news for Mom. Daycare or a classroom isn’t the only place in the world where your kid can get COVID, measles, mumps, or myriad other diseases that vaccines protect us from. Viruses and bacteria are everywhere. That’s what’s so amusing about this particular Mom’s POV. The acceptable nutjob dogma is that vaccines don’t protect you from anything, but they do make you GPS trackable and so magnetic that you risk being stuck to a fridge door and unable to detach yourself without the aid of a crowbar. A non-magnetic one. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2025, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1196 "2025-05-04T02:04:54Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > So the ideal situation is that your child is unvaccinated, but surrounded by magnetic mutant autism kids who won’t get infected by diseases their blood poison shields them from and thus won’t infect your kid by proximity. But,but, but; they’ll be shedding (something - microchips, vaccines, DNA, cooties, etc…). ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2025, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1197 "2025-05-04T18:52:58Z")
It’s like SovCittery in that you want yourself, and maybe your family, to be members of the small elect, not the unwashed mass of sheeple. They totally accept the idea of mass _in_equality, and lots of other people screwing themselves by those folks’ sheeply non-decisions. But for _them_ it’s all about using their secret insider knowledge to win the game of big-L Life one cheat code after another. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2025, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1198 "2025-05-04T23:45:44Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > But for _them_ it’s all about using their secret insider knowledge to win the game of big-L Life one cheat code after another. Yes, it’s a sort of modern day secular gnosticism. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1199 "2025-05-05T14:50:18Z")
SovCit gets unhinged. Really unhinged. You may think you know unhinged but that’s just peanuts compared to this unhinged. You’d need a jaw from a plummeting whale to get this unhinged. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/z2e-ptRzfc0/maxresdefault.jpg "Insane Woman Follows Cop to Demand Sgt Gets A Ticket for NO Turn Signal. Calls 911 Screaming!!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2e-ptRzfc0&t=115/) ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2025, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1200 "2025-05-05T20:59:58Z")
That’s not a Sov City. That’s an emotionally disturbed person who was probably going through a medical episode. Or, if you believe the video creator, is infected with the woke mind virus. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=61)