# Sovereign Citizens-- Please tell me this is fake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2016, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572 "2016-10-24T07:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1201 "2025-05-06T00:43:02Z")
> [@fachverwirrt](#): > > Or, if you believe the video creator …whose narration is really annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1202 "2025-05-06T02:30:34Z")
Ugh, agreed. And why drag poor 'ol Yoda into it? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1203 "2025-05-06T02:53:56Z")
> [@fachverwirrt](#): > > Or, if you believe the video creator, is infected with the woke mind virus. Yeah, this particular YouTuber is a piece of work herself. Her nails-on-a-chalkboard voice and far-right attitude are deeply annoying. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1204 "2025-05-06T03:30:19Z")
[The “Sovereign Clown”](https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-sovereign-citizens-after-man-arrested-twice-ten-days-same-crime) rides again. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1205 "2025-05-06T03:38:17Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/VsAX-6G7wFU/hqdefault.jpg "Sovereign Citizen Gets His Window BUSTED OUT By The Legendary Volusia County Sheriff's Department") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsAX-6G7wFU) ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1206 "2025-05-06T05:55:23Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > > [@fachverwirrt](#): > > > > Or, if you believe the video creator > > …whose narration is really annoying. …and often complains in her narration about females being police officers. IIRC, the narrator is, or at one time, was a 9-1-1 dispatcher. Also, again IIRC, her channel on YouTube was recently demonetized. I’ve no idea if she were able to get that rescinded. Back to the topic du jour. Why call for a supervisor? At the root of it, it’s a delaying tactic. Of course it’s not going to work (except for one case where an armed robbery in a super small town took precedence). And then the sovcidiot is going to bleat about the supervisor not knowing the law, violating their oath of office, and on and on and on. And finally post their own video showing how the evil government they don’t subscribe to has been treating them. It’s just more fuel for the martyr complex. What I think would be fun is if one of these nutters goes to American Samoa and tries their “I’m an American national so you have no jurisdiction over me” nonsense with the police there. That would be comedy gold. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1207 "2025-05-06T13:56:03Z")
The Volusia sheriff has apparent decided his department isn’t going to deal with this BS. For that he should be sheriff for life. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1208 "2025-05-06T17:40:22Z")
Decent bet Volusia is a hotbed of SovCit nuttery. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1209 "2025-05-09T15:26:07Z")
The full pleasure of being a sov cit is realized when you not only fuck up your own life, but are able to extend the same courtesy to hundreds (thousands?) of others around you. > [@](#): > > “The driver ultimately decided to drive to the Bay Bridge Toll Plaza area, where he stopped in the middle of the merge, optimizing the havoc he could wreak on the morning commute,” police said in a report of the incident Thursday. > **[''Sovereign citizen' arrested after standoff during morning commute -...](https://richmondstandard.com/richmond/2025/05/08/soverign-citizen-arrested-after-standoff-during-morning-commute/)** > > The photo attached to this report, provided by the Richmond Police Department, shows a police standoff near the Bay Bridge Toll Plaza involving a driver who claimed to be a \[…\] ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1210 "2025-05-09T15:48:30Z")
Sounds to me like the police chose a very dramatic and inefficient way of dealing with this “threat”. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1211 "2025-05-09T15:54:27Z")
Mmm, driving erratically, refusing to stop and then finally coming to a halt in the most obstructive way possible is what apparently escalated this into a full-blown traffic mess. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1212 "2025-05-09T16:02:09Z")
Then the cops blocked all the lanes, not just one. And had a lengthy standoff including a drone. More aggressive efforts to stop him upstream would have turned this into an ordinary SovCit traffic stop: one bozo on the shoulder and two or three cop cars ahead & behind. Perhaps the outermost lane would be blocked and that’s it. Maybe it all developed real late as they were exiting Richmond’s jurisdiction. Or they thought this goofball had a machine gun or a bomb or … ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2025, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1213 "2025-05-09T19:12:29Z")
In our continuing quest to answer the question “what’s better than a sovereign citizen?”, the previous answer was “ **two** sovereign citizens!”. I now present an example of the next candidate answer, which is “a **drunk** sovereign citizen”! [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/UWcsVN06qAU/maxresdefault.jpg "Unhinged Sovereign Citizen Gets Arrested For OWI - Then Stacks on the Charges") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWcsVN06qAU) ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2025, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1214 "2025-05-12T17:08:36Z")
That was a let down. I don’t think he was a True Believer, just a drunk idiot who’s learned a phrase or two, trying desperately to get something to stick so he doesn’t have to spend the night in jail. That cop should get a raise, though. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1215 "2025-05-18T13:30:54Z")
This is one of the better cases in the annals of sov cit loonery. A man convicted of marijuana cultivation, arson and first-degree murder in California submitted an appeal in 2022 based on the fact that "his physical body is “a transportation watercraft, and by law … a vessel.” This entitled him to seaman’s wages he did not receive during his incarceration, justifying his demand for back pay and penalties totaling nearly $20,000,000 He also claimed that authorities generated bonds from his arrest and conviction, and didn’t compensate him. [The court was not impressed](https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/california/caedce/1:2022cv00222/407249/5/) ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2025, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1216 "2025-05-18T17:38:36Z")
I’ve been dragging my watercraft ass around for nigh-on 49 years without compensation. Somebody owes me $80 million. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1217 "2025-05-19T23:02:39Z")
Well. Guys stuck in prison don’t have a lot to do. Drafting up stupid court submissions keeps you busy and might get you a trip to court. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1218 "2025-05-19T23:07:37Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > Well. Guys stuck in prison don’t have a lot to do. The vexatious litigation from SovCits starts long before prison is a possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1219 "2025-05-19T23:23:46Z")
That California sov cit, instead of relying on filing a paper document, should’ve submitted a video proving that he qualified as a watercraft. [![](https://img.ifunny.co/images/a41897391221d4d57e5a55f236ee55eaaebf404d1e6a10103103e3f89fad3df9_1.jpg) ](https://img.ifunny.co/images/a41897391221d4d57e5a55f236ee55eaaebf404d1e6a10103103e3f89fad3df9_1.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2025, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1220 "2025-05-19T23:30:29Z")
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