# Sovereign Citizens-- Please tell me this is fake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2016, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572 "2016-10-24T07:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![vbob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vbob/32/4439_2.png) [@vbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vbob)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1361 "2025-07-14T11:41:53Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Shooting at trains is very effective at motivating them. Mostly because it’s difficult [but NOT impossible] to get trains to fall out of windows. > **[File:Train wreck at Montparnasse 1895.jpg](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Train_wreck_at_Montparnasse_1895.jpg)** > > If you have an image of similar quality that can be published under a suitable copyright license, be sure to upload it, tag it, and nominate it. > > Other versions of this photo (the "Levy" photo with the men on the roof): ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1362 "2025-07-14T13:57:29Z")
Defenestrainstation ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1363 "2025-07-14T13:58:35Z")
The incident that triggered the Railigious Wars. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1364 "2025-07-14T14:09:00Z")
You keep up these puns derailing our thread and somebody is gonna get steamed. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1365 "2025-07-14T14:19:59Z")
They’re doing what they’ve been trained to do. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1366 "2025-07-14T15:11:26Z")
> [@vbob](#): > > [File:Train wreck at Montparnasse 1895.jpg - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Train_wreck_at_Montparnasse_1895.jpg) [![](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Train_wreck_at_Montparnasse_1895.jpg) ](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Train_wreck_at_Montparnasse_1895.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1367 "2025-07-14T15:33:56Z")
That train must have spoken out against Putin. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1368 "2025-07-14T15:42:22Z")
I can totally believe Putin as a vampire or some other evil creature who was lurking around in the 1800s. Probably buddies with Rasputin at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1369 "2025-07-14T16:32:49Z")
If he had gone crazy in Spain and needed a reason for his crimes, it might have provided a locomotive. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1370 "2025-07-14T16:56:14Z")
> **[Little Eva - Loco-motion(1962)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKpVQm41f8Y%2F)** > > ωωω.ƒα¢євσσк.¢σм/σzαмαηℓαя.ѕιяσηα ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1371 "2025-07-14T18:15:05Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > > [@vbob](#): > > > > [File:Train wreck at Montparnasse 1895.jpg - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Train_wreck_at_Montparnasse_1895.jpg) > > [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Train\_wreck\_at\_Montparnasse\_1895.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Train_wreck_at_Montparnasse_1895.jpg) As God as my witness, I thought locomotives could fly! ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1372 "2025-07-14T18:24:57Z")
Similar to the Army’s experimental flying tank in tests: “The tank remained airborne for 99% of the duration of the test.” ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2025, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1373 "2025-07-14T18:36:59Z")
There is a brief clip that I believe is real, not AI, of a staged locomotive jump where they built an uphill ramp at the edge of a chasm, then set a diesel loco and a couple cars at full speed towards the jump ramp. It launched up the ramp with confidence, then fell off the end and plummeted most immediately, but oh so gracefully, into the chasm. I’ve seen it incorporated in various “collection of train crashes” videos I’ve watched on YT. But I was unable to locate it as a separate short clip to cite. Else it’d be right below here: ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2025, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1374 "2025-07-15T00:34:04Z")
I’m posting this because there’s more gobbeldygook in this one than in most. Van Balion himself, the YouTuber who collects SovCit videos, says that this is the most amusing one in his entire collection. This guy is amazing, invoking in equal measure a delusional view of the Constitution and how God himself is on his side: SovCitt: “Do you have $10,000 effective immediately [for me to produce my driver’s license]?” Officer: “Yeah, I do. It’s at the station, let’s go.” Slightly later, accused by the SovCit of “not being friendly”, the officer replies “I’m very friendly, because you haven’t been ripped out of your vehicle yet”. But when he is ripped out of his vehicle when they have to break a window (I love window-breaking videos involving apparently astonished SovCits) he now demands $10 million in compensation. It does not appear that he ever gets it. But he does get multiple felony charges, including drug possession. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/fTJuMwVq2eI/maxresdefault.jpg "Sovereign Citizen Gets His Car Window Busted Out And Dragged From His Vehicle ~ Grab The Popcorn") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTJuMwVq2eI) ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1375 "2025-07-16T03:25:40Z")
I still think my favorite sov citizen video is the one where the idiot literally prays for Trump to save him. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1376 "2025-07-16T03:30:18Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/VtyVZTK_eN0/maxresdefault.jpg "please save me Donald trump") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtyVZTK_eN0) ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1377 "2025-07-16T03:38:17Z")
That’s the one. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1378 "2025-07-16T04:01:40Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Similar to the Army’s experimental flying tank in tests: “The tank remained airborne for 99% of the duration of the test.” And any Airborne sergeant could tell you: if your parachute malfunctions, you have the rest of your life to figure it out. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1379 "2025-07-16T15:51:12Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > If he had gone crazy in Spain and needed a reason for his crimes, it might have provided a locomotive. Go to your room. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2025, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1380 "2025-07-17T01:14:21Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > There is a brief clip that I believe is real, not AI, of a staged locomotive jump where they built an uphill ramp at the edge of a chasm, then set a diesel loco and a couple cars at full speed towards the jump ramp. Do you mean the MrBeast video with over 400 million views? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/fuhE6PYnRMc/maxresdefault.jpg "Train Vs Giant Pit") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuhE6PYnRMc) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=68) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=70)