# Sovereign Citizens-- Please tell me this is fake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2016, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572 "2016-10-24T07:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 78
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2025, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1541 "2025-09-07T01:55:00Z")
Y’know, used to be if you wanted to verify if someone was the Queen of Canada you could just reach in your wallet for a CAD20 note or in your pocket for a loonie and check if she looked like that. ( \* ETA , no, not like the dang waterfowl, you smartasses…) > [@Czarcasm](#): > > I am now seeing leopards with dildos. Just don’t take it to the AI graphics thread! ---
**Author:** ![NotEncinoMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@NotEncinoMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotEncinoMan)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2025, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1542 "2025-09-07T06:26:11Z")
Australia now has a four cop death by shooting toll from sov cits, which is a lot of shot dead cops by Australian statistical standards (a lot of guns but not much gun crime). Dezi Freeman is still a free man, on the loose in rugged hills and possibly aided by a like minded conspiracy theorist or two. They think Australia has a secret second constitution and that the country has secretly become a corporation which means something or other. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2025, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1543 "2025-09-07T06:43:25Z")
That sounds like the train of “thought” which holds that the US government is actually a Delaware corporation or something, and has been since the Income Tax was ratified or something (even though the Income Tax was never ratified since Ohio isn’t really a state. Or something.). ---
**Author:** ![NotEncinoMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@NotEncinoMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotEncinoMan)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2025, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1544 "2025-09-07T07:19:08Z")
Yeah along those lines. Because Australia registered with the US SEC so as to do boing important financial stuff, cookers got whipped up into a frenzy. Cookers are Australian antivax/sovcit/etc types, as in their brains are cooked by conspiracies. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2025, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1545 "2025-09-07T07:43:40Z")
I’m Australian, and have a couple of anti-vax/conspiracy-nutter/sovcit types in my family. I’m pretty sure they’re law-abiding and don’t have guns, but you can never be too sure… ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2025, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1546 "2025-09-07T10:44:34Z")
> [@NotEncinoMan](#): > > Cookers are Australian antivax/sovcit/etc types, as in their brains are cooked by conspiracies. The Aussies always have the best slang! ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2025, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1547 "2025-09-08T03:18:24Z")
> [@NotEncinoMan](#): > > Australia now has a four cop death by shooting toll from sov cits, which is a lot of shot dead cops by Australian statistical standards (a lot of guns but not much gun crime). By my admittedly somewhat lazy research, seven Australian cops have been shot dead in the last ten years, and four of the shooters were sov cits. So over ten years close to 60% of perps lethal to cops were sov cits. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2025, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1548 "2025-09-08T03:23:17Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > So over ten years close to 60% of perps lethal to cops were sov cits. And then folks complain when they see how cops act during any encounter with a SovCit. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2025, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1549 "2025-09-08T03:47:03Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > By my admittedly somewhat lazy research, seven Australian cops have been shot dead in the last ten years, and four of the shooters were sov cits. So over ten years close to 60% of perps lethal to cops were sov cits. Actually I just realised I mis-spoke and consequently committed an egregious statistical blunder. It’s incorrect that four of the shooters were sov cits. Two of the shooters were sov cits, but they shot two cops each. So actually only 2 out of 5 of the perps were sov cits, but sov cits killed 4 out of 7 cops killed. Still, given that presumably a relatively miniscule number of Australians are sov cits, it’s utterly disproportionate. They are a real danger and as @crowmanyclouds says they are going to get handled using the point of a gun by Australian cops from now on I expect. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2025, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1550 "2025-09-08T12:33:16Z")
The Queen of Canada is scheduled [to be back in court in Saskatchewan for a hearing today](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/queen-of-canada-romana-didulo-cult-leader-bail-hearing-court-1.7627417). Judging by cult postings, it looks like she’ll be pulling the classic your-courts-don’t-have-jurisdiction-over-my-royal-free-woman-on-the-land-self business. That judge better watch his step.\* Authorities locked up and posted the school where the cult had been living as unfit for habitation. But it looks like they found a place to stay elswhere in Richmound. Those poor townspeople. - [![](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a4/3c/51/a43c5197dd237a5a703c18fa134896bd.jpg) ](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a4/3c/51/a43c5197dd237a5a703c18fa134896bd.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2025, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1551 "2025-09-08T14:06:32Z")
I can’t speak to the details of Canadian courtroom procedure but were I a US judge at the first such outburst I’d find her in contempt, sentence her to 30 days, and have the bailiffs immediately haul her back to jail until mid October when we’ll revisit the current case. Lather rinse repeat until she learns, I retire, or she dies of old age. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2025, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1552 "2025-10-12T19:47:38Z")
Can’t say if this Russian dude has bought into the full SovCit insanity, but he believes that he doesn’t have to do anything the police tell him to do, and prefers to just leave the scene. Repeatedly. This is an entertaining 8-minute video that expresses the concept of “escalation”! [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Zjg-UYJNTNY/maxresdefault.jpg "Cocky Driver Disrespects Police, Fails Miserably") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjg-UYJNTNY) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2025, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1553 "2025-10-13T03:27:45Z")
Great video - thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2025, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1554 "2025-10-13T14:25:32Z")
I don’t know how he thought that was gonna end up. That’s some first rate magical thinking, there. “Nope, not gunna. Case closed, see ya!” ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2025, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1555 "2025-10-13T15:18:10Z")
That’s a good one. Not SovCit nonsense, but just good ole fashioned stupid. Though I have to say those cops are _really_ bad at boxing a car in. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2025, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1556 "2025-10-13T15:19:16Z")
Yeah, not SovCit, just a guy with a warrant who decides to run. ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2025, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1557 "2025-10-13T15:34:45Z")
But there was nothing Sov Cit in that video. Waste of time for anyone who came to this thread expecting that. Way off topic. ---
**Author:** ![Nightaudit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nightaudit/32/17181_2.png) [@Nightaudit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightaudit)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2025, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1558 "2025-10-13T16:31:09Z")
that’s not a Russian, the name the cops used is Isa and that’s Jesus in Arabic… ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2025, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1559 "2025-10-13T17:38:01Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > But there was nothing Sov Cit in that video. Waste of time for anyone who came to this thread expecting that. Way off topic. Well, other people seem to have enjoyed it. I think it’s SovCit-adjacent, and though opinions may differ, I provided enough information in the post about what the video was (and was not) that people could make their own decision about whether or not to “waste their time” with it. I’ll continue to post videos that I think are interesting and at least marginally relevant. Cheers! > [@Munch](#): > > That’s a good one. Not SovCit nonsense, but just good ole fashioned stupid. > > Though I have to say those cops are _really_ bad at boxing a car in. Either that or our friend was really good at evasion. The enormous circle of cop cars at the end was spectacular! They must have had every available cop car in the city out there! What this guy was thinking would happen when he first drove off boggles the mind! ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2025, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1560 "2025-10-13T18:46:11Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > What this guy was thinking would happen when he first drove off boggles the mind! Thinking the same as any other idjit that starts a car chase: > Cops are idiots, I’ll find a way to out drive the one(s) right behind me, then when they’ve all lost sight I’ll just drive home calmly and anonymously. They don’t know who I am or where I live yet, so that’ll be the end of it. Actually, most of the folks who start car chases are thinking >   IOW, not thinking at all. It’s a burst of anger or fear emotion and the cerebral cortex is just along for the ride. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=77) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=79)