# Sovereign Citizens-- Please tell me this is fake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2016, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572 "2016-10-24T07:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 87
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1721 "2026-01-09T20:31:41Z")
I reserve my wax for my nostalgic and poetic. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1722 "2026-01-09T21:07:22Z")
Another one from Sergeant Curtis, my new favourite YouTuber on sovcits – as a cop he provides good insightful commentary, whereas Van Balion is mainly good for funny sarcasm. This time it’s a husband and wife pair where the wife is actually even worse than the husband. The husband has a beard that a family of sparrows could nest in quite comfortably, while the wife seems to be an even more committed and belligerent sovcit than he is. Quite the show! [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/DHfO9MysAHU/maxresdefault.jpg "The Funniest Sovereign Citizen Couple Arrest In History") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHfO9MysAHU) ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1723 "2026-01-09T21:26:07Z")
That baby is doomed. So sad. Note the woman’s phone positioned to record the traffic stop. Not an accident. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2026, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1724 "2026-01-09T21:34:48Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > That baby is doomed. So sad. Absolutely true. They also had multiple older kids who were witnessing this fiasco. If you watch through to the end, sovcit Mom is instructing the little girl to fear and hate the police. This is how this disease breeds across generations. I highly recommend the movie _Sovereign_, based on a true story, that shows the potential tragic consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1725 "2026-01-10T00:01:09Z")
Doomed idiot: “Some guy” informed him he could get away with this garbage. “I was told”. “I’ve been led”. Uh-huh. He’s the first of these wackos I’ve seen who’s actually displaying some remorse. The wife is another story. And so goes a nice trip to the beach. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1726 "2026-01-10T00:06:02Z")
One of these nutjobs put who knows how many people in danger, and blocked a major interstate highway IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, in my area just a few days ago. > **[I-80 traffic backup in Davenport traced to Michigan man who refused to...](https://www.wqad.com/article/news/crime/i-80-traffic-backup-davenport-traced-michigan-man-who-refused-comply-complaint/526-4e65a1eb-8161-4e7d-8874-01ab34ee0fc3)** > > A Michigan man caused major delays on I-80 in Davenport on Wednesday evening after refusing to comply with troopers during a stop, according to a complaint. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1727 "2026-01-10T00:19:47Z")
Here’s Sergeant Curtis again. My summation for those who don’t want to watch it: Sovcit appears completely normal at first at this traffic stop, but refuses to provide ID because, of course, a sovcit. The woman then informs officers that Joe Biden is a clone and that people have been injected with vaccines in order to track them. In response to this fascinating information, officers place stop sticks under the vehicle tires. She may genuinely be having a panic attack after being arrested, and is taken to hospital for evaulation before being taken to jail. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/1siFvjh3PBk/maxresdefault.jpg "The Most Obnoxious Sovereign Citizen Arrest In History") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1siFvjh3PBk) ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1728 "2026-01-10T00:48:15Z")
“…people have been injected with vaccines in order to track them.” Quite a few people who aren’t sov cits believe this. It’s the microchips. Or nanobots. Or 5G. Maybe all three. Even if they haven’t been vaccinated, the “shedding” makes it possible to track them, although why anyone would care what these folks are doing remains a mystery. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1729 "2026-01-10T01:21:34Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Note the woman’s phone positioned to record the traffic stop. Not an accident. As the commentator noted in the video, the woman seemed to be the person driving the craziness. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 7:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1730 "2026-01-10T07:22:42Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > although why anyone would care what these folks are doing remains a mystery. Credit to Bill Maher: “Nobody cares about tracking your fat ass to the Piggly Wiggly!” 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2026, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1731 "2026-01-10T11:40:25Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Here’s Sergeant Curtis again. I like the preview still of the YouTube. Who knew they drove on the left side with the driver on the right in sunny Florida. That place really is weird. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1732 "2026-01-13T09:06:43Z")
TeamSkeptic has a YouTube channel where he insults and calls SovCits names while showing their antics. Kind of a Jerry Springer level of sophistication, but it’s a guilty pleasure. [Video here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd7wkko0MZU). Previously, a guy was set for a jury trial apparently for a speeding ticket (which normally don’t have jury trials, so I’m not sure if something else was going on). On the day of the trial, he refuses to participate and walks out, so a bench warrant was issued and he’s back in court. The video shows his hearing on a contempt charge and he gets a sentence of 25 days for contempt. The prosecutor didn’t anticipate any jail time for the underlying charges and had offered a plea to reduce it to a simple citation. The guy is hardcore and just can’t see how wrong he is. ---
**Author:** ![Tride](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tride/32/13907_2.png) [@Tride](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tride)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1733 "2026-01-13T14:03:49Z")
Sgt. Curtis has some serious charisma. I know he’d be fair, but I would NOT want to be pulled over by him. Sgt. “Don’t Play That.” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1734 "2026-01-13T20:01:26Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > The guy is hardcore and just can’t see how wrong he is. Seems to be par for the course with sovereign dumbasses. “On Patrol: Live” (the rebooted version of “Live PD”) showed one such true believer this past weekend: guy was pulled over for an improper (expired, IIRC) tag; turned out he also had no insurance and had been “traveling” with no license for the past 15 years. Among his claims was that the right to travel, as specified in the constitution, includes the operation of motor vehicles. Paraphrasing the lead officer: “His list of driving offenses is so long that it could be turned into a book.” ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1735 "2026-01-13T20:07:08Z")
Haven’t read the whole thread, but do we have any stories yet of Sov Cits vs ICE? Maybe ICE, who have no authority to detain American citizens, trying to bully or detain an American citizen who thinks the laws don’t apply to him personally. That would be a singularity of not-understanding-how-the-law-works. ---
**Author:** ![vbob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vbob/32/4439_2.png) [@vbob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vbob)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2026, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1736 "2026-01-13T20:39:34Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > the woman seemed to be the person driving the craziness. wouldn’t that be ‘traveling the craziness’ ? ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2026, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1737 "2026-02-14T18:58:16Z")
Audit the Audit posted [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TabDMOqStSw) a couple days ago on its channel. Police conducted a traffic stop on a car with a license plate that said “Moorish Nobility,” apparently a reference to the [Moorish sovereign citizens movement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorish_sovereign_citizens). What would have likely been a misdemeanor turned into a felony when the driver decided to drive off in the middle of her detainment. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2026, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1738 "2026-02-14T22:03:19Z")
> [@Toxgoddess](#): > > do we have any stories yet of Sov Cits vs ICE? I think it would end up with the Sov Cit joining ICE and being given a gun on the spot. ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2026, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1739 "2026-02-16T21:18:36Z")
> And I went up there, I said, “Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I > wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and > guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill, > KILL, KILL.” And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL, " and > he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down > yelling, “KILL, KILL.” And the sergeant came over, pinned a medal on me, > sent me down the hall, said, “You’re our boy.” Arlo Guthrie, Alice’s Restaurant ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2026, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1740 "2026-03-30T00:06:03Z")
“Freeman on the land” runs out of time. > **[Australian fugitive Dezi Freeman shot dead by police, reports say](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c93e4gxn22wo)** > > Freeman has been wanted since the fatal shooting of two police officers in Porepunkah in August. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=86) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=88)