# Sovereign Citizens-- Please tell me this is fake **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2016, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572 "2016-10-24T07:38:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 90
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2026, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1781 "2026-09-11T14:13:34Z")
I feel sorry for them sometimes. I have to remind myself that even the SCs that come across as “harmless” idiots are still willing to put everyone else’s lives and well-being at risk by driving without a license, insurance etc. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2026, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1782 "2026-09-11T14:20:00Z")
They are also leeches on society. They are fine with letting us sheep pay for their services and societal benefits. But damn if they’re willing to contribute. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2026, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1783 "2026-09-11T15:14:40Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > I’m fortunate that my God only called me to sleep in on weekends and eat too much Rocky Road. Hey, we have the same God! She’s so understanding… (As proof, our church has coffee and Kringle most Sundays) ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2026, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1784 "2026-09-13T00:35:58Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > and is being held on $50,000 bond. That is $500,000 bond. Another reason to not target judges. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2026, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1785 "2026-10-07T03:59:09Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Well, Pudit Kittithradilok got sentenced to 13,275 years in prison by a Thai court in 2017 for running a huge Ponzi scheme.\* Bernie Madoff got 150 years for his own Ponzi crimes… Apocryphal sentencing story: A judge tells a Bernie Madoff-type that his prison sentence is 80 years. The defendant says, “Your Honor, I’m 72 years old. I’ll never be able to serve a sentence that long.” The judge smiles at him and says, “Well, just do your best.” ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2026, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572/1786 "2026-10-07T15:38:08Z")
The other day I ran across a YouTube video about someone dealing with the decades-long consequences of being mistakenly declared dead by the Social Security Administration. This led me to look up the subject of “John Doe” prisoners. Apparently even if the government has no idea who you are, if all they know is that they have a living body under arrest, they can brand you Prisoner #xxxxxx, try, convict and incarcerate you. If the government can do that, than claiming you’re an “actual person” instead of a legal persona just isn’t going to help. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sovereign-citizens-please-tell-me-this-is-fake/769572.md?page=89)